Re: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Oleksandr Shulgin
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Durity, Sean R wrote: > > > However, I think the shots at Cassandra are generally unfair. When I > started working with it, the DataStax documentation was some of the best > documentation I had seen on any project, especially an open source one. > Oh, don't get m

Re: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Michael Kjellman
Please do send them! There was a *lot* of really hard great work by a lot of people over the past year to significantly improve the documentation in tree. http://cassandra.apache.org/doc/latest/ https://github.com/apache/cassandra/tree/trunk/doc I still didn't see a reply from you re: my request

RE: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Kenneth Brotman
Jeff, I already addressed everything you said. Boy! Would I like to bring up the out of date articles on the web that trip people up and the lousy documentation on the Apache website but I can’t because a lot of folks don’t know me or why I’m saying these things. I will be making a

Re: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Chris Lohfink
Instead of saying "Make X better" you can quantify "Here's how we can make X better" in a jira and the conversation will continue with interested parties (opening jiras are free!). Being combative and insulting project on mailing list may help vent some frustrations but it is counter productive

Re: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Jason Brown
Hi all, I'd like to deescalate a bit here. Since this is an Apache and an OSS project, contributions come in many forms: code, speaking/advocacy, documentation, support, project management, and so on. None of these things come for free. Ken, I appreciate you bring up these usability topics; they

Re: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Jeff Jirsa
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Kenneth Brotman < kenbrot...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: > Hi Akash, > > I get the part about outside work which is why in replying to Jeff Jirsa I > was suggesting the big companies could justify taking it on easy enough and > you know actually pay the people who wo

Re: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Brandon Williams
The only progress from this point is what Jon said: enumerate and detail your issues in jira tickets. On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Kenneth Brotman < kenbrot...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: > Hi Akash, > > I get the part about outside work which is why in replying to Jeff Jirsa I > was suggesting

Re: Issues with Materialized-Views updates during a cluster change?

2018-02-21 Thread Paulo Motta
> 1. It seems that for example when RF=3, each one of the three base replicas > will send a view update to the fourth "pending node". While this is not > wrong, it's also inefficient - why send three copies of the same update? > Wouldn't it be more efficient that just one of the base replicas -

RE: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Kenneth Brotman
Hi Akash, I get the part about outside work which is why in replying to Jeff Jirsa I was suggesting the big companies could justify taking it on easy enough and you know actually pay the people who would be working at it so those people could have a life. The part I don't get is the aversion t

Re: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Akash Gangil
I would second Jon in the arguments he made. Contributing outside work is draining and really requires a lot of commitment. If someone requires features around usability etc, just pay for it, period. On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Kenneth Brotman < kenbrot...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: > Jon, >

Re: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Michael Kjellman
kenneth: could you please send your jira information? i'm unable to even find an account on http://issues.apache.org with your name despite multiple attempts. thanks! best, kjellman > On Feb 21, 2018, at 2:20 PM, Kenneth Brotman > wrote: > > Jon, > > Very sorry that you don't see the value

RE: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Kenneth Brotman
Jon, Very sorry that you don't see the value of the time I'm taking for this. I don't have demands; I do have a stern warning and I'm right Jon. Please be very careful not to mischaracterized my words Jon. You suggest I put things in JIRA's, then seem to suggest that I'd be lucky if anyone l

Re: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread DuyHai Doan
So before buying any marketing claims from Microsoft or whoever, maybe should you try to use it extensively ? And talking about backup, have a look at DynamoDB: http://i68.tinypic.com/n1b6yr.jpg >From my POV, if a multi-billions company like Amazon doesn't get it right or can't make it easy for e

Re: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Jon Haddad
Ken, Maybe it’s not clear how open source projects work, so let me try to explain. There’s a bunch of us who either get paid by someone or volunteer on our free time. The folks that get paid, (yay!) usually take direction on what the priorities are, and work on projects that directly affect o

Re: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Durity, Sean R
It is instructive to listen to the concerns of new and existing users in order to improve a product like Cassandra, but I think the school yard taunt model isn’t the most effective. In my experience with open and closed source databases, there are always things that could be improved. Many have

RE: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Kenneth Brotman
Josh, To say nothing is indifference. If you care about your community, sometimes don't you have to bring up a subject even though you know it's also temporarily adding some discomfort? As to opening a JIRA, I've got a very specific topic to try in mind now. An easy one I'll work on and

FINAL REMINDER: CFP for Apache EU Roadshow Closes 25th February

2018-02-21 Thread Sharan F
Hello Apache Supporters and Enthusiasts This is your FINAL reminder that the Call for Papers (CFP) for the Apache EU Roadshow is closing soon. Our Apache EU Roadshow will focus on Cloud, IoT, Apache Tomcat, Apache Http and will run from 13-14 June 2018 in Berlin. Note that the CFP deadline has

Re: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Josh McKenzie
There's a disheartening amount of "here's where Cassandra is bad, and here's what it needs to do for me for free" happening in this thread. This is open-source software. Everyone is *strongly encouraged* to submit a patch to move the needle on *any* of these things being complained about in this t

Issues with Materialized-Views updates during a cluster change?

2018-02-21 Thread Nadav Har'El
Hi, I was trying to understand how view tables are updated during a period of range movements, namely bootstrapping of a new node or decommissioning one of the nodes. In particular, during the period of data streaming, we can have a new replica on a "pending node" to which we also need to send the

Re: Cassandra Needs to Grow Up by Version Five!

2018-02-21 Thread Oleksandr Shulgin
On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Kenneth Brotman < kenbrot...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: > > >> Cluster wide management should be a big theme in any next major release. > >> > >Na. Stability and testing should be a big theme in the next major release. > > > > Double Na on that one Jeff. I think y