Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-07-06 Thread Ron Wheeler
Please propose a new network documentation page as part of this discussion. If it  makes it more palatable to developers, we could rename the documentation to "Use Cases". That would make it easier to discuss the real impact on users of what is being proposed. The current network document

RE: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-07-06 Thread Paul Angus
Sorry for being late to the party. 'in theory' couldn't we do away with the idea that 'advanced networking with security groups' is a type of zone and just allow the use of security groups in any network, instead of making people 'choose' up front. I believe AWS allows the use of security groups

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-28 Thread Wido den Hollander
> > From: Wido den Hollander > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 8:26:40 PM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones > > For now I've created a Pull Request so we can have

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-21 Thread Rohit Yadav
ckages yet. [1] http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/eol-135779.html - Rohit <https://cloudstack.apache.org> From: Wido den Hollander Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 8:26:40 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-21 Thread Wido den Hollander
For now I've created a Pull Request so we can have a discussion about it there: https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/2720 Wido On 06/21/2018 02:34 PM, Gabriel Beims Bräscher wrote: > +1 > > We have an empty page regarding 5.0 [1] in the Design documents section > [2]. It might be a good spo

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-21 Thread Gabriel Beims Bräscher
+1 We have an empty page regarding 5.0 [1] in the Design documents section [2]. It might be a good spot to sort out CloudStack 5.0 plans. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/5.0+Design+Documents [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Design 2018-06-21 5

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-21 Thread Daan Hoogland
well, that one is a good one to update, but there was a dedicated 5.0 page at some time. I think we can just use this from here on in and merge anything else in it when we find it ;) On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Rafael Weingärtner < rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote: > This one [1]? > > [1]

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-21 Thread Rafael Weingärtner
This one [1]? [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Roadmap On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote: > Wido, there used to be a page on cwiki with plans for 5.0, I can not find > it anymore but this should be added to it. > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 6:42 PM, i

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-21 Thread Daan Hoogland
Wido, there used to be a page on cwiki with plans for 5.0, I can not find it anymore but this should be added to it. On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 6:42 PM, ilya musayev wrote: > I think the simplicity of Basic Zone was - you can get away with 1 VLAN > for everything (great for POC setup) where as Adva

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-20 Thread Wido den Hollander
On 06/20/2018 08:42 PM, ilya musayev wrote: > I think the simplicity of Basic Zone was - you can get away with 1 VLAN > for everything (great for POC setup) where as Advanced Shared with VLAN > isolation requires several VLANs to get going. > Does it? I have Advanced Networking running with ju

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-20 Thread ilya musayev
I think the simplicity of Basic Zone was - you can get away with 1 VLAN for everything (great for POC setup) where as Advanced Shared with VLAN isolation requires several VLANs to get going. How would we cover this use case? On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 11:34 AM Tutkowski, Mike wrote: > Also, yes, I

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-20 Thread Tutkowski, Mike
Also, yes, I agree with the list you provided, Wido. We might have to break “other fancy stuff” into more detail, though. ;) On 6/20/18, 12:32 PM, "Tutkowski, Mike" wrote: Sorry, Wido :) I missed that part. On 6/20/18, 5:03 AM, "Wido den Hollander" wrote:

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-20 Thread Tutkowski, Mike
Sorry, Wido :) I missed that part. On 6/20/18, 5:03 AM, "Wido den Hollander" wrote: On 06/20/2018 12:31 AM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: > If this initiative goes through, perhaps that’s a good time to bump CloudStack’s release number to 5.0.0? > That's what I said in

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-20 Thread Wido den Hollander
I never meant for this thread to de-rail into what should be CloudStack 5.0 :-) I haven't heard any objections against the creation of new Basic Networking Zones being prohibited, but hey, it's been <24 hours since I send the first mail. Wido On 06/20/2018 04:51 PM, Stephan Seitz wrote: > Hi! >

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-20 Thread Rafael Weingärtner
- When roles do not have access to some API methods, the buttons/links that use these API methods should disappear from the interface. On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Stephan Seitz wrote: > Hi! > > > > > With that we would: > > > > > > - Drop creation of new Basic Networking Zones > > > - Suppo

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-20 Thread Stephan Seitz
Hi! > > With that we would: > > > > - Drop creation of new Basic Networking Zones > > - Support IPv6 in shared IPv6 networks > > - Java 9? > > - Drop support for Ubuntu 12.04 > > - Other fancy stuff? > - Versioned API: keep v1 API (< v5.0.0)  and create a v2 API >= v5.0.0 > where we fix all inco

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-20 Thread Rafael Weingärtner
+1 On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Rene Moser wrote: > > > On 06/20/2018 01:03 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote: > > > > > > On 06/20/2018 12:31 AM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: > >> If this initiative goes through, perhaps that’s a good time to bump > CloudStack’s release number to 5.0.0? > >> > > > > T

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-20 Thread Rene Moser
On 06/20/2018 01:03 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote: > > > On 06/20/2018 12:31 AM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: >> If this initiative goes through, perhaps that’s a good time to bump >> CloudStack’s release number to 5.0.0? >> > > That's what I said in my e-mail :-) But yes, I agree with you, this >

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-20 Thread Wido den Hollander
On 06/20/2018 12:31 AM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: > If this initiative goes through, perhaps that’s a good time to bump > CloudStack’s release number to 5.0.0? > That's what I said in my e-mail :-) But yes, I agree with you, this might be a good time to bump it to 5.0 With that we would: - Dro

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-19 Thread Rafael Weingärtner
+1 I would love to. But I'm a real novice when it comes to the UI though. So that would be something I wouldn't be good at doing. We all can help you with the UI. It is a little complicated at the beginning because it is a JavaScript that generates HTML code. However, it is doable. On Wed, Jun

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-19 Thread Tutkowski, Mike
If this initiative goes through, perhaps that’s a good time to bump CloudStack’s release number to 5.0.0? > On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote: > > > >> On 06/19/2018 11:07 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote: >> I like this initiative, and here comes the big but even though I myself >

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-19 Thread Wido den Hollander
On 06/19/2018 11:07 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote: > I like this initiative, and here comes the big but even though I myself > might think it is not valid; Basic zones are there to give a simple start > for new users. If we can give a one-knob start/one page wizard for creating > a shared network in a

Re: [DISCUSS] Blocking the creation of new Basic Networking zones

2018-06-19 Thread Daan Hoogland
I like this initiative, and here comes the big but even though I myself might think it is not valid; Basic zones are there to give a simple start for new users. If we can give a one-knob start/one page wizard for creating a shared network in advanced zone with security groups and userdata, great. A