Re: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date

2016-02-23 Thread Erik Weber
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Rene Moser wrote: > Erik > > On 02/22/2016 01:50 PM, Erik Weber wrote: > > Adding a boilerplate in the install/admin docs that says "If you have no > > other tools in place to handle system vm updates, consider enabling this > > option: x.y.z" is good enough for m

RE: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date

2016-02-23 Thread Nuno Tavares
bruary 22, 2016 1:39 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date I think that there are two parts to this - creating system VMs and installing them. The systemvms need to have the automated build with versioning 4.5.2-1234 (I'd like to see that show

Re: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date

2016-02-22 Thread Rene Moser
Erik On 02/22/2016 01:50 PM, Erik Weber wrote: > Adding a boilerplate in the install/admin docs that says "If you have no > other tools in place to handle system vm updates, consider enabling this > option: x.y.z" is good enough for me. > This is supposed to be a way for all those who don't have a

Re: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date

2016-02-22 Thread Erik Weber
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Rene Moser wrote: > Hi > > I don't like the idea cloudstack management handles the "apt-get update > && apt-get upgrade" (I am -1 for this solution) or at least I would like > to disable it by configuration, if we go this direction. > It should by no means be man

Re: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date

2016-02-22 Thread Erik Weber
We are comparing different sources, I was comparing the 'official' e.g. the documented template, not the one regularely built by jenkins. -- Erik On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Remi Bergsma wrote: > It _must_ be lying :-) > > When I install a systemvm from this last build: > > http://jenkin

RE: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date

2016-02-22 Thread Paul Angus
lieve you have received this email in error. -Original Message- From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro] Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 9:37 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date Hi Erik, Legit worry point. IMHO the updates of the VR and so on

Re: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date

2016-02-22 Thread Rene Moser
Hi I don't like the idea cloudstack management handles the "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" (I am -1 for this solution) or at least I would like to disable it by configuration, if we go this direction. We use ansible (what a surprise) to update the VR and also add some custom patches to it. We

Re: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date

2016-02-22 Thread Remi Bergsma
It _must_ be lying :-) When I install a systemvm from this last build: http://jenkins.buildacloud.org/job/build-systemvm64-master/lastBuild/artifact/tools/appliance/dist/systemvm64template-master-4.6.0-xen.vhd.bz2 It has 4.6.0 version, but /etc/cloudstack-version shows it was built today. cat /

Re: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date

2016-02-22 Thread Erik Weber
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Remi Bergsma wrote: > Hi Erik, > > The version might not change, but Jenkins builds new ones every night with > latest OS patches: > http://jenkins.buildacloud.org/job/build-systemvm64-master/ > > Option 1) and 3) will work once we allow more space on the systemv

Re: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date

2016-02-22 Thread Erik Weber
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Nux! wrote: > Hi Erik, > > Legit worry point. > > IMHO the updates of the VR and so on should be the job of whoever runs the > cloud, just like it's the same person's job to keep the HVs up to date. > Well, to some point I agree, but we should do our best to red

Re: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date

2016-02-22 Thread Remi Bergsma
Hi Erik, The version might not change, but Jenkins builds new ones every night with latest OS patches: http://jenkins.buildacloud.org/job/build-systemvm64-master/ Option 1) and 3) will work once we allow more space on the systemvm template for it to actually handle installing stuff. You then al

Re: [DISCUSS] Keeping system vms up to date

2016-02-22 Thread Nux!
Hi Erik, Legit worry point. IMHO the updates of the VR and so on should be the job of whoever runs the cloud, just like it's the same person's job to keep the HVs up to date. I'm sure it's possible to get all the VRs registered in some sort of ansible/puppet thingy and keep track of them this