I agree on the "The release process has always been a little bit of a
pain in the butt".
As you say most of people are volunteers so they prefer working on fun
part (coding and adding a new features) rather than wasting time on
too much (non needed?) procedures.
Yup that can be a long discussion...
On 6 October 2013 07:22, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> On 5 Oct 2013, at 14:29, James Carman wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Benedikt Ritter
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I agree with all of your points. Yes, the sandbox is a place
>>> to try new ideas out. Does this mean certain
> On Oct 6, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
>
> Stupid question: couldnt commons be broken in real projects (tlp) without
> links (other than deps) between them? Would make them using adapted rules
> to their need
Not a stupid question. We have talked about it in the past. The pr
Stupid question: couldnt commons be broken in real projects (tlp) without
links (other than deps) between them? Would make them using adapted rules
to their need
Le 6 oct. 2013 23:25, "Dave Brosius" a écrit :
> Phil,
>
> You definitely have a point, but nothing helps build a development
> communi
Phil,
You definitely have a point, but nothing helps build a development
community than seeing releases go out.
"I want to be part of that"
If there's no idea if or even when another version of a library will go
out, especially one that's hasn't released in a while, it deflates
possible joi
On 6 October 2013 21:46, Phil Steitz wrote:
>
>
>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:00 PM, James Carman wrote:
>>
>> The fact that it has taken so long before we got something out for
>> Collections 4.x is just an embarrassment. How long has Java had
>> generics? What could be causing us to be so slow to
I'd be fine with that, personally.
Matt
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:05 PM, James Carman wrote:
> How about we just switch to git, Matt? Many projects have already
> gone that route.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Matt Benson wrote:
> > Of the various tasks that are part of keeping Commons
How about we just switch to git, Matt? Many projects have already
gone that route.
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Matt Benson wrote:
> Of the various tasks that are part of keeping Commons going: making
> releases, pushing to the website, etc., I feel like there are maybe a
> couple of people
> On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:51 PM, James Carman wrote:
>
> So, would you say we have a problem attracting new committers or are
> our current committers just losing interest (or a combination of
> both)?
I think it's both, but the first is natural / will always be happening. It's
the second that
Of the various tasks that are part of keeping Commons going: making
releases, pushing to the website, etc., I feel like there are maybe a
couple of people who feel confident to do each task, and they're probably
not the same people for each task. I think it could be helpful to
establish a list of
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
>
> S/ale/make (love that iPhone :)
>
You know, the iPhone studies what words you use most often and assumes
that's what you mean ;) LOL
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> On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:00 PM, James Carman wrote:
>>
>> The fact that it has taken so long before we got something out for
>> Collections 4.x is just an embarrassment. How long has Java had
>> generics? What could be causing us to b
So, would you say we have a problem attracting new committers or are
our current committers just losing interest (or a combination of
both)?
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
>
>
>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:00 PM, James Carman wrote:
>>
>> The fact that it has taken so long before
> On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:00 PM, James Carman wrote:
>
> The fact that it has taken so long before we got something out for
> Collections 4.x is just an embarrassment. How long has Java had
> generics? What could be causing us to be so slow to get releases out?
I may be in the minority here, b
+1, looks like there are plenty of examples.
Agree with Phil, how could we make things lighter or easier?
I mean to get more release out.
Jean-Louis
2013/10/6 Phil Steitz
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Oliver Heger
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Christian,
> >
> > Am 06.10.2013 21:44, schrieb Chri
> On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Oliver Heger wrote:
>
> Hi Christian,
>
> Am 06.10.2013 21:44, schrieb Christian Grobmeier:
>> James,
>>
>> thank you.
>>
>> I believe Commons is in a bad shape.
>>
>> Look at Commons Collections. Before 4 years somebody
>> said Guava is more modern, he his ans
Then so will say no need to keep holding memory for this startup flag :p
Monitoring will just go ahead and will surely be reworked a bit so no need
to stop on details now JL
Le 6 oct. 2013 21:49, "Jean-Louis MONTEIRO" a écrit :
> Hey guys,
>
> I don't want to interrupt such an interesting discus
Hi Christian,
Am 06.10.2013 21:44, schrieb Christian Grobmeier:
> James,
>
> thank you.
>
> I believe Commons is in a bad shape.
>
> Look at Commons Collections. Before 4 years somebody
> said Guava is more modern, he his answer seems to be widely accepted.
> http://stackoverflow.com/a/167/
On 6 October 2013 20:47, wrote:
> Author: jlmonteiro
> Date: Sun Oct 6 19:47:22 2013
> New Revision: 1529670
>
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1529670
> Log:
> Adding a constant for the activation flag.
>
> Modified:
>
> commons/sandbox/monitoring/trunk/reporting/src/main/java/org/apache/comm
Hey guys,
I don't want to interrupt such an interesting discussion.
I just wanted to fix a typo I caught up.
If creating a constant with the right javadoc is ok, let's just do it,
there is no big issue on that.
Lemme me know if the following works.
jlmonteiro$ svn ci -m "Adding a constant for th
James,
thank you.
I believe Commons is in a bad shape.
Look at Commons Collections. Before 4 years somebody
said Guava is more modern, he his answer seems to be widely accepted.
http://stackoverflow.com/a/167/690771
This guy said we have no generics. What did we do in the past 4 years?
http
Let's take a look:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COLLECTIONS#selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project%3Aversions-panel
3.2.1 - 4/15/2008
3.2 - 5/14/2006
3.1 - 6/28/2004
We haven't had a release in over 5 years. The last one (which was a
point release) took two years roughly.
My point was that we need to try to get out of the mindset that we
have to be perfect before we do a release. Of course, we should fix
any glaring issues, but we need to get better about pushing releases
out more often into our users' hands. I'm not pointing at [compress]
here. Just responding to
On 2013-10-06, James Carman wrote:
> Version numbers are cheap.
Again, no argument.
I wonder where you or Gregory got the idea it could be different.
All I said was "here is my list of things I intend to do" - which
contained two items and one of them has been done five hours later - and
asked
On 6 Oct 2013, at 20:57, Phil Steitz wrote:
> On 10/6/13 11:45 AM, James Carman wrote:
>> Collections 4.x, nuff said
>
> Huh? Didn't we release a beta? We could say the same thing about
> math 4.0, pool/dbcp 2.0, etc. These things are in progress. They
> will get released. There is activity.
The fact that it has taken so long before we got something out for
Collections 4.x is just an embarrassment. How long has Java had
generics? What could be causing us to be so slow to get releases out?
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
> On 10/6/13 11:45 AM, James Carman wrote:
On 10/6/13 11:45 AM, James Carman wrote:
> Collections 4.x, nuff said
Huh? Didn't we release a beta? We could say the same thing about
math 4.0, pool/dbcp 2.0, etc. These things are in progress. They
will get released. There is activity. I don't get the big problem
here.
Phil
>
>
> On Sun,
Version numbers are cheap. We don't have to be *perfect* before every release.
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> On 2013-10-06, Gary Gregory wrote:
>
>> In general I like the release early, release often model.
>
> I don't think we differ here. But before we cut a release
On 10/6/13 11:30 AM, James Carman wrote:
> All,
>
> The Apache Commons project seems to be languishing as of late and we
> need some rejuvenation. Perhaps we should try to define our mission
> as a project. What are our goals? What do we want to accomplish?
> Who are our users/customers? What n
On 2013-10-06, Gary Gregory wrote:
> In general I like the release early, release often model.
I don't think we differ here. But before we cut a release we should be
happy with the APIas we'll be forced to live with that for some time.
Stefan
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On 2013-10-06, Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> * look into and potentially fix date and permission handling issues in
> arj.
done - inside the Ant compress antlib I now have archives created on
Windows and Linux and I get the correct date/time on both of them - one
has to consider the OS flag describin
Collections 4.x, nuff said
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Adrian Crum
wrote:
> I would like to know the metrics for that conclusion. I see plenty of
> discussions and commits, but I'm not seeing any languishing.
>
> Adrian Crum
> Sandglass Software
> www.sandglass-software.com
>
>
> On 10/6/201
I would like to know the metrics for that conclusion. I see plenty of
discussions and commits, but I'm not seeing any languishing.
Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com
On 10/6/2013 11:30 AM, James Carman wrote:
All,
The Apache Commons project seems to be languishing as of
All,
The Apache Commons project seems to be languishing as of late and we
need some rejuvenation. Perhaps we should try to define our mission
as a project. What are our goals? What do we want to accomplish?
Who are our users/customers? What non-functional qualities do we want
our software to e
> Since we now have multiple archivers that require seeking, I suggest
> we add a SeekableStream class or something along those lines. The
> Commons Imaging project also has the same problem to solve for images,
> and it uses ByteSources, which can be arrays, files, or an InputStream
> wrapper that
In general I like the release early, release often model. WRT helping
I'm afraid that ATM I won't be able to do more than help with checking
an RC.
Gary
On Oct 6, 2013, at 10:27, Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> Hi all
>
> we've already had users asking for a new release - in particular because
> of 7z
Hi all
we've already had users asking for a new release - in particular because
of 7z support.
>From the top of my head there are two things I'd like to address before
the release and one that would be nice but I know I won't find time to
look into.
Should go into the release:
* support for wri
On 2013-10-01, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Stefan Bodewig wrote:
>> Reading may be simpler, here you can store the meta-information from the
>> start of the file in memory and then read entries as you go, ZipFile
>> inside the zip package does something like this.
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