Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread Phil Steitz
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Luc Maisonobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Derivatives are computed by applying the classical exact differentiation > > rules ((f*g)' = f'*g + f*g' and friends) and by using t

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Luc Maisonobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Derivatives are computed by applying the classical exact differentiation > rules ((f*g)' = f'*g + f*g' and friends) and by using the exact derivatives > of all Math and StrictMath methods (including acosh, asinh and at

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread Luc Maisonobe
Rory Winston a écrit : Hi Luc I'm a bit confused about the purpose of [nabla]. You say you outline three methods of computing the derivative of the function you outlined. However in reality I think you have only described two. Unless I am missing the point of your example, your idea is basic

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/14/08, Luc Maisonobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James Carman a écrit : > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > I share the concern. It doesn't seem obvious that the derivatives of > > > the byte code operations would produce a computational

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread Rory Winston
Hi Luc I'm a bit confused about the purpose of [nabla]. You say you outline three methods of computing the derivative of the function you outlined. However in reality I think you have only described two. Unless I am missing the point of your example, your idea is basically performing sym

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread Luc Maisonobe
James Carman a écrit : On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I share the concern. It doesn't seem obvious that the derivatives of the byte code operations would produce a computationally accurate derivative of the source function. Other than that the idea i

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread Siegfried Goeschl
Are you talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA* :-O* James Carman wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Paul Libbrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Le 14 avr. 08 à 12:52, James Carman a écrit : Also, the name "nabla" would suggest that the component is designed for

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread Luc Maisonobe
Paul Libbrecht a écrit : I would agree with Phil, as long as Math is not modularized (which turned out to be quite a hassle for jelly but probably pays on the long run, especially now that maven 1.1 handles reactor cleanly) Nabla should not be part of it. At least for the dependencies, it's

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread Luc Maisonobe
Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Phil Steitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The idea is interesting and I see how it could be useful assuming it could be made to work reliably and the byte code <-> original function differentiated byte code <-> analytical derivative mappin

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread James Carman
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Paul Libbrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Le 14 avr. 08 à 12:52, James Carman a écrit : > > > > > > > Also, the name "nabla" would suggest that the component is designed > > > for calculating derivatives of vector functions. > > > > > > > The name "nabla" is

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread Paul Libbrecht
Le 14 avr. 08 à 12:52, James Carman a écrit : Also, the name "nabla" would suggest that the component is designed for calculating derivatives of vector functions. The name "nabla" is also very close to "nambla" and I doubt the ASF wants to be associated with that organization. Nabla is als

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread James Carman
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I share the concern. It doesn't seem obvious that the derivatives of > the byte code operations would produce a computationally accurate > derivative of the source function. Other than that the idea is > interesting, an

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread Paul Libbrecht
I would agree with Phil, as long as Math is not modularized (which turned out to be quite a hassle for jelly but probably pays on the long run, especially now that maven 1.1 handles reactor cleanly) Nabla should not be part of it. At least for the dependencies, it's quite different. Will

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-14 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Phil Steitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The idea is interesting and I see how it could be useful assuming it > could be made to work reliably and the > byte code <-> original function > differentiated byte code <-> analytical derivative > mapping could be sho

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-13 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Phil Steitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 6:11 PM, James Carman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Torsten Curdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Well, I am wondering if this really is a "common" need th

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-13 Thread Torsten Curdt
Well, I am wondering if this really is a "common" need that should go into the commons project. We already have "math". If it doesn't fit in there it might well be better of to get it into labs IMO - not commons. I would say the same could apply to many commons or commons-sandbox compone

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-13 Thread Phil Steitz
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 6:11 PM, James Carman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Torsten Curdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, I am wondering if this really is a "common" need that should go into > > the commons project. We already have "math". > > If it doesn'

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-13 Thread James Carman
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Torsten Curdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I am wondering if this really is a "common" need that should go into > the commons project. We already have "math". > If it doesn't fit in there it might well be better of to get it into labs > IMO - not commons. >

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-13 Thread Phil Steitz
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Torsten Curdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The existing implementation is not yet ready for production. A lot of work > has been done, but there are many missing features. [nabla] can handle > simple functions from end to end (i.e. up to creating an instance of

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-13 Thread Torsten Curdt
The existing implementation is not yet ready for production. A lot of work has been done, but there are many missing features. [nabla] can handle simple functions from end to end (i.e. up to creating an instance of the differentiated class that is fully functional). Making this code availab

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-13 Thread Phil Steitz
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Luc Maisonobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I have played with an idea for a new project for a few months. Asking for a > few advices both at the ApacheCon Europe and by direct contact, all > responses I received were quite positive and suggested me to s

Re: [all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-13 Thread Martin Cooper
My first reaction is that I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. ;-) My secondary reaction is to wonder how many people out there do understand it, and of them, how many would contribute to its development. One of the entry criteria, from my perspective, is some reasonable chance th

[all][nabla] proposition for a new project in sandbox

2008-04-13 Thread Luc Maisonobe
Hello, I have played with an idea for a new project for a few months. Asking for a few advices both at the ApacheCon Europe and by direct contact, all responses I received were quite positive and suggested me to set up a component in sandbox. This message is the first public announcement and