@Christian
You’re very welcome! I think an internal poll has a great way of defining
footholds. It’s going to be hard to craft to avoid confirmation bias, but I
think it’s definitely possible.
@Matt
I agree. There is no doubt that this is something that would require stages.
Approaching this
Speaking as someone in the Pacific Northwest US, where we say land
acknowledgement for the Duwamish tribe at the beginning of all school
events, meaning I respect and understand the motivation for this:
I think simply opening this up for a member vote will result in an
unproductive firefight. Reac
Andrew,
I agree that putting it to a member vote is possibly polarizing (and
premature). That’s not really the intent here. A poll is a dipstick effort to
check the temperature before we reach strategy and tactics. Polling is more
about discovery.
I’m all for the outreach. For my own clarif
With respect, Apache is not trademarked nor is it proprietary.
It also represents free software. I fail to see how this would be
disrespectful. In fact the fight against large corporate takeover with OS
licenses and Open Source would seem to align well especially considering
stories like 'wounded
On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 8:28 AM me wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> I agree that putting it to a member vote is possibly polarizing (and
> premature). That’s not really the intent here. A poll is a dipstick effort
> to check the temperature before we reach strategy and tactics. Polling is
> more about disco
@Andrew,
How do we engage the board?
Ed Mangini
m...@emangini.com
From: Andrew Musselman
Reply: dev@community.apache.org
Date: April 29, 2022 at 12:44:28
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: It’s time to change the name
On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 8:28 AM me wrote:
> Andrew,
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Copying them now.
On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 9:46 AM me wrote:
> @Andrew,
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> How do we engage the board?
>
>
> Ed Mangini
> m...@emangini.com
>
>
> From: Andrew Musselman
> Reply: dev@community.apache.org
> Date: April 29, 2022 at 12:44:28
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: It’s tim
Moving board to bcc. Mixing public and private mailing lists is not a
good idea.
On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 12:48 PM Andrew Musselman wrote:
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> Copying them now.
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> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 9:46 AM me wrote:
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> > @Andrew,
> >
> > How do we engage the board?
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> >
> > Ed Mangini
> > m...@emangi
Thanks Sam and Andrew for helping provide visibility!
From: Sam Ruby
Reply: dev@community.apache.org
Date: April 29, 2022 at 13:35:41
To: Apache Community Dev
Subject: Re: It’s time to change the name
Moving board to bcc. Mixing public and private mailing lists is not a
good idea.
On
I think it would be useful to poll ASF members' opinions. This would
not be a vote (in the sense that any action would result if the vote
'passes') even though we may choose to implement the poll using STevE
during a members meeting. It would allow us to gauge where opinions
are, and track changes
Walter,
The assertion that we have paid staff, while correct, isn't particularly
relevant to the question. All of the top level leadership positions at The
Foundation are unpaid volunteer roles, including
* President,
* Executive Vice President,
* VP Infra,
* VP Brand,
* VP Fundraising,
* Treasur
I would also ask if this is an official complaint from the Apache tribes
because only they and their representatives can file an official complaint
in regards to the Apache tribes.
Anyone else is not speaking on behalf of the tribes.
In respect to the tribes and their elders, I would first want t
I’m also willing to take on some of the tasks. I do want to point out that if
we over-decompose the problem, we’re just going to push the perception of it
being one problem that is too big to too many problems. Many of the tasks and
work are going to fail into categories, and there are going to
I'm encouraged by the appetite for change expressed here, gunalchéesh to
everyone for hearing me out and sharing your ideas and fleshing out more of
a plan.
I agree with everyone here that it’s a mountain of work to change the name,
it took years to get us to this point and Myrle is right it will
Schools and sports teams changing their names is trivial in comparison
to the scope of work here. How many schools or sports teams have their
name as part of APIs? This is on the level of deprecating .com in DNS
in favor of something else.
The concrete ideas like a new logo sound far more tractabl
On 29/04/2022 23:21, Matt Sicker wrote:
as would
things like no longer allowing new ASF projects to name themselves
after native culture.
That is an easy one to implement. Consider it done. I'll update the
documented process for choosing a project name when I have a little more
time but th
100% with you about the mechanics of a poll.
It is absolutely necessary to have a clearly defined goal, hypothesis, etc.
before we can drive a poll. I think coming up with those questions is part of
what we’re chatting about. That in itself can be a challenge. I agree about
multiple options.
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