Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-11 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Ahh ty. I completely missed the NASA parallel Bill was drawing. Regards, KAM On August 11, 2017 8:47:10 PM EDT, jonathon wrote: >On 08/11/2017 02:09 AM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > >> FWIW, a computer (computationalist) was a stereotype that there were >> many smart people who could not engineer,

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-11 Thread jonathon
On 08/11/2017 02:09 AM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > FWIW, a computer (computationalist) was a stereotype that there were > many smart people who could not engineer, but could perform > calculations. I don't think you want to go there. Computationalist was/is a far more appropriate term, than what

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-11 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 8/11/2017 8:54 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: On 8/10/2017 10:46 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: Oh, I have no need to, in fact I jumped at a KAM's critical error in understanding what the computer profession was (the use of the inhuman 'what' is deliberate), and avoid him making such a bracelet u

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-11 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 8/10/2017 10:46 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: Oh, I have no need to, in fact I jumped at a KAM's critical error in understanding what the computer profession was (the use of the inhuman 'what' is deliberate), and avoid him making such a bracelet unless he understands the implication. I was ce

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Joseph Schaefer wrote: > You still haven't addressed the political problem this org faces regarding > even innocuous expressions of support like this. The fact is there isn't > even unanimity among current board members that there is a problem with the > google

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Joseph Schaefer
You still haven't addressed the political problem this org faces regarding even innocuous expressions of support like this. The fact is there isn't even unanimity among current board members that there is a problem with the google manifesto or the individuals it damaged. Sent from my iPhone >

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:09 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Kevin A. McGrail > wrote: >> >> >> And after the moron at Google decided girls should only get Barbie dolls, >> I'll personally pay for a batch that says Code Like a Girl. Myrle if you >> have ideas of

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > > > And after the moron at Google decided girls should only get Barbie dolls, > I'll personally pay for a batch that says Code Like a Girl. Myrle if you have > ideas of something pithier that is broader, I am game. Compute Like a Girl?

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
m: Mike Drob >Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:10 PM >To: dev@community.apache.org >Subject: Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers? > >I didn't think there was a direct add option to our lists - once you >sign >up you get a mail asking you to confir

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread fred bucheit
I've done the unsubscribe twenty times and it does no good. Fred Bucheit From: Mike Drob Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:10 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers? I didn't think t

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Mark Thomas
On 10/08/17 20:10, Mike Drob wrote: > I didn't think there was a direct add option to our lists - once you sign > up you get a mail asking you to confirm your subscription. Correct. Only moderators can add people to lists without that check. However, if people use poorly configured/implemented ou

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Of course! Sorry, I read that original note wrong and though Rich wrote it. My apologies to Chris. On 8/10/2017 3:41 PM, Myrle Krantz wrote: Thanks to Rich, Myrle, Sally, Daniel, Ted, Sharan and anyone else I forgot! Chris of course! The silicon bands were his idea. Myrle -

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Myrle Krantz
> Thanks to Rich, Myrle, Sally, Daniel, Ted, Sharan and anyone else I forgot! Chris of course! The silicon bands were his idea. Myrle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 8/10/2017 2:59 PM, Aditya wrote: I'm new. My 2 cents. How about a #CodeLikeAGirl or #(whatever is decided) Could probably have the # float on twitter / facebook etc. Good idea though I'll leave social media work to others. Re the band: the plan is largely gelled: TBD determined amount bas

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Mike Drob
I didn't think there was a direct add option to our lists - once you sign up you get a mail asking you to confirm your subscription. On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > On 8/10/2017 3:06 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > >> Or he could just follow the unsubscribe instructions above

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 8/10/2017 3:06 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: Or he could just follow the unsubscribe instructions above (and below). I thought it would be good for infra to look at the issue if people are using our lists for nefarious purposes. --

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Phil Steitz
On 8/10/17 11:04 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > On 8/10/2017 1:57 PM, fred bucheit wrote: >> Someone at apache placed my name in an email bank so that all >> apache emails >> >> come to me along with all the other recipients. It was done for >> retribution because I complained. >> >> >> Your email i

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Aditya
I'm new. My 2 cents. How about a #CodeLikeAGirl or #(whatever is decided) Could probably have the # float on twitter / facebook etc. Regards, Aditya On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Kevin A. McGrail < kevin.mcgr...@mcgrail.com> wrote: > On 8/10/2017 1:57 PM, fred bucheit wrote: > >> Someone at

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 8/10/2017 1:57 PM, fred bucheit wrote: Someone at apache placed my name in an email bank so that all apache emails come to me along with all the other recipients. It was done for retribution because I complained. Your email is coming to me, Fred Bucheit, at fbuch...@hotmail.com or der...@

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread fred bucheit
to stop these emails??? thanks Fred From: Sally Khudairi Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:38 AM To: Kevin A. McGrail; dev@community.apache.org Cc: Rich Bowen; fundrais...@apache.org Subject: Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers? To

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 8/10/2017 11:36 AM, Claude Warren wrote: do IT like a girl Unfortunately "IT" often scans as the word "it". "Do it like a girl" sounds a bit lewd if you have the wrong "ears" on. But then perhaps that is the best opening for a conversation since I suspect those with the wrong ears on are

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Sally Khudairi
To reiterate, I support you. And the effort. I can pay for bracelets/stickers/t-shirts/*, and will be happy to help you publish the blog post. Cheers, Sally - - - Vice President Marketing & Publicity The Apache Software Foundation Tel +1 617 921 8656 Skype sallykhudairi On Thu, Aug 10, 2017,

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Claude Warren
do IT like a girl > > Unfortunately "IT" often scans as the word "it". "Do it like a girl" sounds a bit lewd if you have the wrong "ears" on. But then perhaps that is the best opening for a conversation since I suspect those with the wrong ears on are the ones we generally want to have the conver

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Sally Khudairi
+1 to what Ted wrote. We've had some extremely heated interchanges over this, going back to 2005 (ApacheCon Stuttgart and San Diego), as far as I can recall. I know many of us want nothing more than the ASF to be --not just perceived-- more welcoming to everyone. That, to me, feels like it's in t

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 8/10/2017 9:55 AM, Myrle Krantz wrote: I'll personally pay for a batch that says Code Like a Girl. Myrle if you have ideas of something pithier that is broader, I am game. Compute Like a Girl? That's awesome of you Kevin! Be sure to credit Cornelia Davis -- she was the one handing them out

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Ted Dunning
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Sally Khudairi wrote: > We have quite vocal ASF Members who > feel that we're misogynistic and not female/*-friendly. Just saying. > Frankly, we have members who seem to think that Apache *should* be organizationally misogynist. This is usually framed as "h

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread fred bucheit
...@apache.org Subject: Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers? OK, apparently I'm not understanding this. I was referring to providing promo swag. Not a press release. Curious about your proposal for a press release: what should we be saying, exactly? To be clear, the ASF -

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Sally Khudairi
OK, apparently I'm not understanding this. I was referring to providing promo swag. Not a press release. Curious about your proposal for a press release: what should we be saying, exactly? To be clear, the ASF --as a foundation-- does not (= has not, to date) issue position statements like this.

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 8/10/2017 10:26 AM, Sally Khudairi wrote: Hey folks --I'm missing a bit of context here, and I wanted to preface this by reinforcing that I fully support diversity and equality. My gut reaction was "why not 'Code Like a Person'?". Whilst not within the target of the "girl" trend, we're open t

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Claude Warren
3C Like a Person or C^3 Like a Person On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Sally Khudairi wrote: > Hey folks --I'm missing a bit of context here, and I wanted to preface > this by reinforcing that I fully support diversity and equality. > > My gut reaction was "why not 'Code Like a Person'?". Whil

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Sally Khudairi
Hey folks --I'm missing a bit of context here, and I wanted to preface this by reinforcing that I fully support diversity and equality. My gut reaction was "why not 'Code Like a Person'?". Whilst not within the target of the "girl" trend, we're open to everyone. Commit. Code. Contribute. They a

Re: KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Myrle Krantz
> I'll personally pay for a batch that says Code Like a Girl. Myrle if you have > ideas of something pithier that is broader, I am game. Compute Like a Girl? That's awesome of you Kevin! Be sure to credit Cornelia Davis -- she was the one handing them out at SpringOne. I don't think they were

KAM is not drunk was Re: Wristbands instead of stickers?

2017-08-10 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
+1mm And after the moron at Google decided girls should only get Barbie dolls, I'll personally pay for a batch that says Code Like a Girl. Myrle if you have ideas of something pithier that is broader, I am game. Compute Like a Girl? Perhaps SK can do a pr. And we can send a few with me to