Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-11-04 Thread Phil Steitz
On 10/26/16 7:06 AM, Isabel Drost-Fromm wrote: Thanks for sharing this, Isabel. I have a similar kind of personal comment below, but I have to first say that my immediate reaction reading about your experience was how lucky we are that you managed to make it to that Acon :) Please thank that per

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-28 Thread Shawn Heisey
On 10/25/2016 1:50 AM, Isabel Drost-Fromm wrote: > Longer version: Every now and then I hear people complain either > privately or publicly [1] that people working on Apache projects who > are not paid to do that work and have don't have the luxury to > participate full-time are facing a hard time

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-27 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Ross --- Twitter: @rgardler From: Isabel Drost-Fromm Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:50:21 AM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: On wearing multiple hats Pre-text: This conversation started among several members of the ASF, you are seeing this message

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-26 Thread Isabel Drost
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:58:17AM -0400, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Isabel Drost-Fromm wrote: > > - Given the influx of projects into the incubator (and the number of > > projects > > making it through) people seem to trust the ASF as a home for their > > communities.

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-26 Thread Isabel Drost-Fromm
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 02:19:06PM +, Ross Gardler wrote: > First, I'm tired of hearing it too but let's not be fooled, most of the time > it comes from people ill informed about how the ASF works. I have no doubt about that. Maybe we can do a better job telling people how we work then? > We

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-25 Thread Shane Curcuru
Two small comments: Ross Gardler wrote on 10/25/16 10:19 AM: > First, I'm tired of hearing it too but let's not be fooled, most of > the time it comes from people ill informed about how the ASF works. > > We use social controls within the projects and we have a fully > independent board to handle

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-25 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Isabel Drost-Fromm wrote: > Pre-text: This conversation started among several members of the ASF, you are > seeing this message here, as it was suggested to have the discussion on a > public mailing list so everyone can participate. > > > Hi, > > tl;dr: I'm tired o

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-25 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:50:21 AM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: On wearing multiple hats Pre-text: This conversation started among several members of the ASF, you are seeing this message here, as it was suggested to have the discussion on a public mailing list so everyone can parti

On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-25 Thread Isabel Drost-Fromm
Pre-text: This conversation started among several members of the ASF, you are seeing this message here, as it was suggested to have the discussion on a public mailing list so everyone can participate. Hi, tl;dr: I'm tired of hearing Apache is "where large firms dump code (to break the market for