Re: Flex support (was Apache Flex Examples)

2014-01-03 Thread Alex Harui
It might be worth calling support and asking. According to [1]: Support contracts Adobe is fully committed to honoring support contracts for released versions of the Adobe Flex SDK and will continue to offer new support contracts for five years. Adobe does not have plans to provide support for Ap

Re: Flex support (was Apache Flex Examples)

2014-01-03 Thread Stephane Beladaci
Sorry my last email and the horribly broken English, I was on Caltrain writing wit my phone and swap gesture lol. This is the contract I usually ask my client to get, and there is no Flex anymore, only Flash Builder and AIR. There used to be Flex SDK included. That is probably what Disney referred

Re: Flex support (was Apache Flex Examples)

2014-01-03 Thread Stephane Beladaci
I was told Disney Interactive os dropping AIR because Adobe ruled support to community basis, I checked the enterprise support program on Adobe website and saw AIR but not Flex. I answered my contact bringing good attention on it but the conversation went cold. I assumed it meant Flex since I could

Re: Apache Flex Examples Proposal

2014-01-03 Thread Alex Harui
I can present this on your behalf. I thought the documents indicated that you should contact them directly but in re-reading them I guess it isn't totally clear. I've learned not to overload them, so if you want me to pass this on I will wait until Tuesday to give them a chance to get caught up a

Re: Apache Flex Examples Proposal

2014-01-03 Thread Joseph Balderson
Alex, you mentioned that you've already been in contact with Apache trademarks about this issue, so if could please tell them that yes, I have read the trademark policy, and please pass along my proposal as stated, that would be appreciated. Unless there is some conflict of interest I am not aware

Re: Apache Flex Examples Proposal

2014-01-03 Thread Alex Harui
Joe, If it were me, I'd wait until Tuesday to contact trademarks@a.o. I've already asked trademarks for their guidance on this matter and they haven't responded yet. I did see trademarks answer another email, but they may not be fully engaged and caught up on everything until Monday. I would su

Re: Flex support (was Apache Flex Examples)

2014-01-03 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/3/14 6:44 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >Hi, > >> Which remind me of anothet concern I have: support. I should probably >>send >> a separate email with a new title to create a new conversation, I will >> after searching previous conversation first. But just as an example, >>Disney >> Interact

Re: Apache Flex Examples Proposal

2014-01-03 Thread Angelo Anolin
+1 On Jan 3, 2014 8:18 PM, "Joseph Balderson" wrote: > FYI, here is my official request proposal to Apache. Alex, if you would be > so > kind as to forward this on to the folks at Apache that would be greatly > appreciated. > > -

RE: XMLListCollection issue

2014-01-03 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Thanks for the contribution - perhaps we should make you a committer? :-) Let's not rush into anything :) Mike

Apache Flex Examples Proposal

2014-01-03 Thread Joseph Balderson
FYI, here is my official request proposal to Apache. Alex, if you would be so kind as to forward this on to the folks at Apache that would be greatly appreciated. - January 3, 2014 To Who It May Concern, My name is Joseph B

Flex support (was Apache Flex Examples)

2014-01-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Which remind me of anothet concern I have: support. I should probably send > a separate email with a new title to create a new conversation, I will > after searching previous conversation first. But just as an example, Disney > Interactive in Palo Alto recently told me that they abandon AIR

RE: Apache Flex Examples

2014-01-03 Thread Stephane Beladaci
Hey Mike, good to see your name again ;) Interesting point, something I was not thinking about to take into consideration indeed. I think we got it convered for the purpose of this thread and each party / role expressed their concern. I'm looking forward to reading the feedback from Apache lawyers

Re: XMLListCollection issue

2014-01-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Perfect that fixes the issue and all the XMLListCollection tests pass. Thanks for the contribution - perhaps we should make you a committer? :-) Justin

Re: XMLListCollection issue

2014-01-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Thanks for that (slightly) slower and working is preferable to not working :-) I'll apply the patch and run the tests and see if any other changes need to be made. Thanks, Justin

Re: git commit: [flex-sdk] [refs/heads/develop] - remove try and catch to improve performance

2014-01-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Did you actually try it? With a getter no - I'll give it a go. All the ADG/DG tests pass - is there a test for getter in there? Thanks, Justin

RE: Apache Flex Examples

2014-01-03 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Here is the thing though -- it's not a "us vs. them" type of situation. We >are all Apache (including the community). The trademark group within the >Apache Foundation is there to protect us. Please see it that way. >We live >in a litigious world and we all need to realize that. I don't wa

RE: XMLListCollection issue

2014-01-03 Thread Michael A. Labriola
Here is my proposed fix in XMLListAdapter:: addItemAt() : ... if (length > 0) { var localLength:uint = source.length(); //Adjust all indexes by 1 for ( var i:uint = localLength; i>index; i-- ) { source[i] = source[ i - 1 ]; } } source[ index ] = item; ... We may be able to optim

Re: git commit: [flex-sdk] [refs/heads/develop] - remove try and catch to improve performance

2014-01-03 Thread Alex Harui
Did you actually try it? I seem to recall people complaining about actually getting an uncaught error so maybe if you have a bug there it will cause a problem much sooner. On 1/3/14 3:02 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >Hi, > >> I wish I'd thought of this last night, but the try/catch also absorbs >

Re: Apache Flex Examples

2014-01-03 Thread Stephane Beladaci
I understand the spirit but I do not see it in this case. I do not see what is good for "us" with "Apache lawyers" being "unsettled" due to the "word flex without Apache" being widely used in the community. What I hear, is Apache lawyer defending Apache's interest and ownership in more zealous and

Re: Apache Flex Examples

2014-01-03 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
Here is the thing though -- it's not a "us vs. them" type of situation. We are all Apache (including the community). The trademark group within the Apache Foundation is there to protect us. Please see it that way. We live in a litigious world and we all need to realize that. -Nick On Fri,

RE: XMLListCollection issue

2014-01-03 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>mainXML.item.length() which shows the same problem. Actually, It shows a worse problem... and infinite loop, cause length() keeps growing so the loop will never terminate. If you save the invariant to a local variable first, obviously it works better... but the XMLList still grows. Mike

RE: XMLListCollection issue

2014-01-03 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I will write it all up tonight if possible. I can provide example of each step >and what's going on. In XMLListAdapter, addItemAt() we see this after the first addItem() source[0] = length > 0 ? item + source[0] : item; this effectively sets source[0] to the unchanged item... and the parent do

RE: XMLListCollection issue

2014-01-03 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Thanks for all that. The code isn't adding anything to the original list , >it's looping though the nodes of a list then and adding them to a new >collection. >So why does using a loop index work, but using in doesn't? I will write it all up tonight if possible. I can provide example of each st

Re: Apache Flex Examples

2014-01-03 Thread Stephane Beladaci
just to be clear, my last email was for a case of a name with flex but without apache, I think a domain name with both is totally off limit and will legitimately trigger a cease and desist for sure, i would even recommend against it even with Apache approval, it's too long and sounds like someone i

Re: git commit: [flex-sdk] [refs/heads/develop] - remove try and catch to improve performance

2014-01-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I wish I'd thought of this last night, but the try/catch also absorbs > errors in getters, See what you mean now. If you data field is set to a user defined setter and that RTEs before the error would get silently eaten. That seems like a bad idea to me but it is existing SDK behaviour. So

Re: Apache Flex Examples

2014-01-03 Thread Stephane Beladaci
Again there is what the Apache lawyer wants and there is what we can do. They defend Apache's interest, not ours. Amd there is what they want, and what they can't do anything about. And then there is what they can do something about with huge risk to hurt Apache's reputation more than protecting it

Re: XMLListCollection issue

2014-01-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Actually it's even more broken that i thought. trace("Length before adding: " + mainXML.item.length()); var some:XMLListCollection = new XMLListCollection(); var length:int = mainXML.item.length(); for (var i:int = 0; i < length; i++) { trace("adding " + mainXML.item[i].@id);

Re: git commit: [flex-sdk] [refs/heads/develop] - remove try and catch to improve performance

2014-01-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I wish I'd thought of this last night, but the try/catch also absorbs > errors in getters, so these changes could break folks who've been relying > on that fact. Sorry lost me - which getters? Thanks, Justin

Re: XMLListCollection issue

2014-01-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Let me take some of that back, I was describing a different issue. I think > this might be related to parenting issues within XMLList. It can produce very > unexpected behavior. In this case, its adding a node to the original parent. Thanks for all that. The code isn't adding anything to

Re: Installer Revisited

2014-01-03 Thread Alex Harui
Hi Tom, Thanks for trying it. I think these scripts are expecting to be run inside an expanded binary package. Run ant release, get the binary package from the out folder, expand that somewhere and then run the installer.xml from in there. Thanks, -Alex On 1/3/14 10:53 AM, "Tom Chiverton" wro

Re: Apache Flex Examples

2014-01-03 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
>From previous conversations with the Apache lawyers (revolving my own user group), I doubt they will let any domain names with the words "apache" and "flex" fly. When they first took over the trademarks they were very unsettled with the amount of community sites that used the word "flex" by itsel

Re: Installer Revisited

2014-01-03 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Friday 03 Jan 2014 09:19:13 you wrote: > On 02/01/2014 18:06, Alex Harui wrote: > > OK. I'm essentially ignorant as to how installs happen on Linux. If you > > have time, can you try to get the installer.xml files to run for > > flex-falcon/flex-asjs on Linux? Separate sections below for each

Re: git commit: [flex-sdk] [refs/heads/develop] - remove try and catch to improve performance

2014-01-03 Thread Alex Harui
I wish I'd thought of this last night, but the try/catch also absorbs errors in getters, so these changes could break folks who've been relying on that fact. Lots of folks have getters that don't have null checks and other stuff like that, although it may be that an exception will get thrown earli

In Apache Flex Embed?

2014-01-03 Thread Patel Amit
Hi, I had gone through the link http://www.adobe.com/in/products/flex/extend.html Could we embed this link into the Apache web site , it would be the hugh benefit for the flex and air developer. Regards,

RE: XMLListCollection issue

2014-01-03 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>And the same code is called when using an index loop (which works as expected) >so far as I can tell it's a "side effect" of using "in". Let me take some of that back, I was describing a different issue. I think this might be related to parenting issues within XMLList. It can produce very unex

RE: XMLListCollection issue

2014-01-03 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>And the same code is called when using an index loop (which works as expected) >so far as I can tell it's a "side effect" of using "in". It is. The issue exists with XMLList as well and also Dictionary (although less reproducible with the latter) In all cases using the in while modifying prop

Re: Installer Revisited

2014-01-03 Thread Alex Harui
So one of the goals of rewriting the installer is to get us out of the business of needing to create platform-dependent artifacts. Ideally, the next release of the Apache Flex Installer would be the last one ever. All further installs are done by having the Installer execute an ant script in a GU

Re: Apache Flex Examples

2014-01-03 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/3/14 2:23 AM, "Joseph Balderson" wrote: >I'm not aiming to misrepresent Apache's trademark, I'm looking for >permission to >use it, in the spirit of the precedent of maven.com and flexexamples.com, >etc.; >to be allowed to run the site with that domain because of its historical >connection

Re: Apache Flex Examples

2014-01-03 Thread Joseph Balderson
I'm not going to be reusing any code from flexexamples.com: the point of apacheflexexamples.com is to revisit the micro-tutorial format, but with all new content geared specifically for Apache Flex. The examples will be "one-pagers", just like flexexamples.com, so there will be nothing to download,

Re: Installer Revisited

2014-01-03 Thread Tom Chiverton
On 02/01/2014 18:06, Alex Harui wrote: OK. I'm essentially ignorant as to how installs happen on Linux. If you have time, can you try to get the installer.xml files to run for flex-falcon/flex-asjs on Linux? It's a bit like .dmg on MacOS in that a single file contains the dependency and metada

Re: XMLListCollection issue

2014-01-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, >> Did it go into a whole bunch of XMLListAdapter code? > Only addItemAt. and that as far as I can see seem to be doing the right thing. And the same code is called when using an index loop (which works as expected) so far as I can tell it's a "side effect" of using "in". Thanks, Justin

Re: XMLListCollection issue

2014-01-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi > Did it go into a whole bunch of XMLListAdapter code? Only addItemAt. and that as far as I can see seem to be doing the right thing. Justin