Re: [TTH] Why do you need release candidates?

2014-12-07 Thread Alex Harui
Hi everyone, At this point, I would like to suggest we table this debate until Bertrand gets a chance to look at the latest version of the new release process proposal. If he’s ok with the proposal, then we put it up for a vote. Thanks, -Alex On 12/7/14, 12:34 AM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" wrote:

Re: [TTH] Why do you need release candidates?

2014-12-07 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Dec 7, 2014 12:24 AM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: > > Hi, > > > 'Fairly' accurate is not good enough. > > I not done the stats on every release but you would have to agree it's happened many times. The fact we don't have only 1 or 2 RC for each release confirms it. I'd estimate that 80%+ of the rel

Re: [TTH] Why do you need release candidates?

2014-12-07 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > 'Fairly' accurate is not good enough. I not done the stats on every release but you would have to agree it's happened many times. The fact we don't have only 1 or 2 RC for each release confirms it. I'd estimate that 80%+ of the releases have had more than 2 RCs I think "fairly accurate

Re: [TTH] Why do you need release candidates?

2014-12-06 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Dec 6, 2014 9:13 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: > > Hi, > > > You are doing it again :-) > > IMO It was a fairly accurate representation of the state of affairs. You do realise when I write "PMC" I'm including myself? For instance look at the amount of feedback from the the "test" RC of TourDeFlex

Re: [TTH] Why do you need release candidates?

2014-12-06 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > You are doing it again :-) IMO It was a fairly accurate representation of the state of affairs. You do realise when I write "PMC" I'm including myself? For instance look at the amount of feedback from the the "test" RC of TourDeFlex (RC0) and then the issues found in RC1 and RC2. Other r

Re: [TTH] Why do you need release candidates?

2014-12-06 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Dec 6, 2014 4:08 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: > > Hi, > > > Here's my suggested release (non-) process. > > As far as I can see we been doing all of that with the old process [1] with the exception that we usually make multiple RCs. Here's an example JIRA for the 4.12 release. [2] > > So why mult

Re: [TTH] Why do you need release candidates?

2014-12-06 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Here's my suggested release (non-) process. As far as I can see we been doing all of that with the old process [1] with the exception that we usually make multiple RCs. Here's an example JIRA for the 4.12 release. [2] So why multiple RCs? The PMC usually puts off testing / checking thing

Re: [TTH] Why do you need release candidates?

2014-12-06 Thread Erik de Bruin
We don't mention it explicitly in the 'less-RC' article (since it's a long time and good practice Justin set up way back when), but we also use your suggested method of using JIRA tickets to track the release progress [1]. EdB 1: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-34560 On Sat, Dec 6,

Re: [TTH] Why do you need release candidates?

2014-12-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote: > ...that is a very accurate summary of the 'less-RC' process [1] > we've been working on for our future releases... Oh cool! For some reason that felt more complicated when I looked at it - I'll have another look after the week-end! -Bertran

Re: [TTH] Why do you need release candidates?

2014-12-06 Thread Erik de Bruin
Bertrand, that is a very accurate summary of the 'less-RC' process [1] we've been working on for our future releases. Thanks, EdB 1: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/2oH0Ag On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi Flex team, > > Reviewing your activities to try a

[TTH] Why do you need release candidates?

2014-12-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Flex team, Reviewing your activities to try and help this community run in a smoother way, I'm wondering why you need release candidates. Those were useful during your Apache incubation, to allow "total strangers" who don't have the right tools for example to review your releases, but in a sma