Re: [Discuss] Conventions on driving FLIPs towards consensus

2023-02-06 Thread Xintong Song
The discussion has been open for quite some time and there seems not to be more inputs. Thanks all for the discussion. I have updated the Flink Improvement Proposals wiki page [1] with the discussed conventions. Best, Xintong [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Flink+Improvem

Re: [Discuss] Conventions on driving FLIPs towards consensus

2023-01-30 Thread Xintong Song
Thanks all for the feedback. @Dong, I fully agree that we should document the agreements on wiki. However, I'd hesitate about the MUST / SHOULD phrasing. I personally would consider these conventions, except for the one quoted from the ASF policy, as empirical inputs for individual judgements, w

Re: [Discuss] Conventions on driving FLIPs towards consensus

2023-01-30 Thread Jing Ge
Thanks all for the valuable information. It is a great step to make the FLIP running more smoothly. I'd like to share two additional suggestions: 1. Veto with care - Voter should present her-/him-self and give a veto with her/his own technical justification. No veto is allowed only based on someo

Re: [Discuss] Conventions on driving FLIPs towards consensus

2023-01-30 Thread Matthias Pohl
Thanks Xintong for summarizing the PMC discussion here. I agree that working on trust instead of imposing more rules is the right thing to do. But I see Dong's point on documenting such an agreement in some way to give guidance to new contributors. One thing that I think might be helpful to includ

Re: [Discuss] Conventions on driving FLIPs towards consensus

2023-01-28 Thread Dong Lin
Thanks Xintong for initiating and sharing the discussion! The agreement described in the summary looks pretty good. In particular, it is great to know that ASF already has guidance requiring "voter must provide with the veto a technical justification showing why the change is bad". This is exactly

Re: [Discuss] Conventions on driving FLIPs towards consensus

2023-01-27 Thread Jark Wu
Thank Xintong for starting the discussion in PMC and bringing the summary here. The summary looks good to me. Unresponsive reviewing has happened numerous times in the previous FLIPs. I think the conventions are very valuable for the community to move forward efficiently and avoid potential confli

[Discuss] Conventions on driving FLIPs towards consensus

2023-01-27 Thread Xintong Song
Hi devs, Recently, a discussion about how to drive FLIPs towards consensus has taken place on the private@ mailing list. While many PMC members have already shared their opinions, we believe for this topic the opinions of other committers / contributors are equally important. Therefore, we are mov