Re: [HUMOR] Re: [POLL] API and Implementation serialization compatibility and upgrading

2005-05-14 Thread Jeremy Boynes
Davanum Srinivas wrote: Jeremy, hehehe...problem is i just added some Serializable stuff in axis w/o even thinking about it because Geronimo guys told me they needed it. now, i can't change it :( Muhahaha, that'll teach you to be helpful ;-) I don't know what you changed but please remember that we

Minimal Server [was Re: Dummy GBean]

2005-05-14 Thread anita kulshreshtha
David, Thanks for the tip. I am attaching patches for running Geronimo without EJB for review. I am using the minimal server. Thanks Anita --- David Jencks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These already exist, but you can't use a generic > one. > > You can simply leave out the ejb builder and th

Re: [POLL] API and Implementation serialization compatibility and upgrading

2005-05-14 Thread Phil Steitz
Aaron Mulder wrote: Also, wearing my end user hat, I'm not as concerned about this issue as stated -- Every time I upgrade, for example, JBoss, I install it into a new directory, reapply any configuration changes, and redeploy my apps. It might be different if the product offered an "upgrade in

Re: [HUMOR] Re: [POLL] API and Implementation serialization compatibility and upgrading

2005-05-14 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Jeremy, hehehe...problem is i just added some Serializable stuff in axis w/o even thinking about it because Geronimo guys told me they needed it. now, i can't change it :( -- dims On 5/14/05, Jeremy Boynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh, for Pete's sake, this poll is about as Fair and Balanc

[HUMOR] Re: [POLL] API and Implementation serialization compatibility and upgrading

2005-05-14 Thread Jeremy Boynes
Oh, for Pete's sake, this poll is about as Fair and Balanced as Fox News. How about: PROJECT POLL: [ ] We, ${projectName}, didn't really mean it when we said something was Serializable and feel free to change our APIs and implementation at any time without telling you. [ ] We do ou

Re: API and serialization compatibility, was: Build Failure

2005-05-14 Thread Jeremy Boynes
Dain Sundstrom wrote: On May 14, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Jeremy Boynes wrote: Dain Sundstrom wrote: Tim, As you point out, the problem of serialization is far reaching. Basically, we need to get every project included in Geronimo to buy into serialization stability, and to my knowledge there are

Re: [POLL] API and Implementation serialization compatibility and upgrading

2005-05-14 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Just FYI, "entire runtime object serialized (axis integration)" was a choice...usually Axis uses a deployment descriptor (even jonas uses these xml based wsdd descriptors)but the decision to use serialized runtime objects was conscious one in Geronimo. Yes, need more information...(or more tim

Re: API and serialization compatibility, was: Build Failure

2005-05-14 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On May 14, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Jeremy Boynes wrote: Dain Sundstrom wrote: Tim, As you point out, the problem of serialization is far reaching. Basically, we need to get every project included in Geronimo to buy into serialization stability, and to my knowledge there are no projects in Geron

Re: API and serialization compatibility, was: Build Failure

2005-05-14 Thread Jeremy Boynes
David Blevins wrote: On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 09:47:31AM -0700, Jeremy Boynes wrote: David Blevins wrote: Paying attention is an understatement. In order to serialize data to and from class definitions, those classes cannot change in any significant way, ever. No refactoring, repackaging, reorgani

Re: API and serialization compatibility, was: Build Failure

2005-05-14 Thread Jeremy Boynes
Dain Sundstrom wrote: Tim, As you point out, the problem of serialization is far reaching. Basically, we need to get every project included in Geronimo to buy into serialization stability, and to my knowledge there are no projects in Geronimo that today have committed to this. In addition,

Re: API and serialization compatibility, was: Build Failure

2005-05-14 Thread Dain Sundstrom
Tim, As you point out, the problem of serialization is far reaching. Basically, we need to get every project included in Geronimo to buy into serialization stability, and to my knowledge there are no projects in Geronimo that today have committed to this. In addition, Geronimo itself is d

Re: [POLL] API and Implementation serialization compatibility and upgrading

2005-05-14 Thread Aaron Mulder
I'd like some more information before answering this poll. Namely, what exactly is serialized? I guess I was under the impression that "configuration information" was serialized. You make it sound like, for example, ActiveMQ itself is serialized. Shouldn't we be able to serialize a bun

Re: [POLL] API and Implementation serialization compatibility and upgrading

2005-05-14 Thread David Jencks
On May 14, 2005, at 7:28 AM, David Blevins wrote: I really want to get some feedback from the developers, users, lurkers, other projects and everyone on this subject. It shouldn't be a taboo to talk about or considered a "can of worms" or a "hot button." It affects the project at pretty fundam

Re: API and serialization compatibility, was: Build Failure

2005-05-14 Thread David Blevins
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 09:47:31AM -0700, Jeremy Boynes wrote: > David Blevins wrote: > >On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 03:42:58PM -0700, Jeremy Boynes wrote: > >>Solving the compatibility problem will require the developers to > >>pay attention to versioning. We will need to require that at some > >>poin

[POLL] API and Implementation serialization compatibility and upgrading

2005-05-14 Thread David Blevins
I really want to get some feedback from the developers, users, lurkers, other projects and everyone on this subject. It shouldn't be a taboo to talk about or considered a "can of worms" or a "hot button." It affects the project at pretty fundamental level, so I think it would be good if we did

Re: API and serialization compatibility, was: Build Failure

2005-05-14 Thread Jeremy Boynes
Aaron Mulder wrote: Okay, well, as long as we've opened this can of worms... Jeremy, what is your intention WRT editing configurations without the server running? You know I'm not going to give a short answer to a question like that ;-) I'm going to move it to another thread. For examp

Re: API and serialization compatibility, was: Build Failure

2005-05-14 Thread Tim Ellison
Jeremy Boynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 14-05-2005 17:47:31: > > > Another thing to remember is that the only classes where serialization > compatibility really matters are those that are actually placed in > persistent attributes. I would hope all the projects we use do support > serializat

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-647) Latest GBean naming conventions

2005-05-14 Thread anita kulshreshtha (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-647?page=all ] anita kulshreshtha updated GERONIMO-647: Attachment: UnavailableEJBReferenceBuilder.patch UnavailableServiceReferenceBuilder.patch UnavailableWebService

Re: API and serialization compatibility, was: Build Failure

2005-05-14 Thread Aaron Mulder
Okay, well, as long as we've opened this can of worms... Jeremy, what is your intention WRT editing configurations without the server running? For example, let's say you do a default install, but do not start the server. Now you start a different product that binds to port 8080.

[jira] Created: (GERONIMO-647) Latest GBean naming conventions

2005-05-14 Thread anita kulshreshtha (JIRA)
Latest GBean naming conventions --- Key: GERONIMO-647 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-647 Project: Geronimo Type: Bug Environment: All Environments Reporter: anita kulshreshtha Priority: Minor Following classe

Re: API and serialization compatibility, was: Build Failure

2005-05-14 Thread Jeremy Boynes
David Blevins wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 03:42:58PM -0700, Jeremy Boynes wrote: Solving the compatibility problem will require the developers to pay attention to versioning. We will need to require that at some point though. Paying attention is an understatement. In order to serialize data to

Re: Spanish Documentation Avaible

2005-05-14 Thread Jeff Genender
Hi Katia, Fantastico y muchas gracias! Just open a JIRA issue and attach it. We can then get it taken care of. Thanks, Jeff Katia Aresti Gonzalez wrote: Hello everybody!!! I have finished my spanish documentation about Geronimo. I have included the following parts: - Install and building from

Spanish Documentation Avaible

2005-05-14 Thread Katia Aresti Gonzalez
Hello everybody!!!   I have finished my spanish documentation about Geronimo. I have included the following parts:   - Install and building from source - Configuration of Database pool - Configuration of JMS - Configuration en Deploy of EJBs, all types JAR - WAR applications - EAR application - Cli