Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2015 ([ppmc])

2015-09-29 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 02:15:05PM +, Marvin wrote: > The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 14 October 2015, 10:30 am PST. The > report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The > Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board > meeting,

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-29 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 03:33PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Cédric Champeau > wrote: > > One exit criteria is "growing the community", and growing > > the community means finding new "committers", aka, people committed to the > > project. And The definition h

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Cédric Champeau wrote: > One exit criteria is "growing the community", and growing > the community means finding new "committers", aka, people committed to the > project. And The definition here of committer binds it to having write > access to the repository,

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-29 Thread Cédric Champeau
Well, we should keep this thread focused on Groovy but your link precisely shows the problem. One exit criteria is "growing the community", and growing the community means finding new "committers", aka, people committed to the project. And The definition here of committer binds it to having write a

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-29 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 01:54PM, Russel Winder wrote: > On Tue, 2015-09-29 at 14:49 +0300, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > > […] > > Well said. I typically explain it to folks that at ASF, committers > > are those > > who have a strong commitment to the project, not git/svn commit bit > > set. > > It

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Russel Winder wrote: > ...It remains a very big shame that these two words (committer and > committer) and their associated roles (core team member and person who > updates the mainline repository) are so conflated by the ASF rules and > procedures That can pr

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-29 Thread Russel Winder
On Tue, 2015-09-29 at 14:49 +0300, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > […] > Well said. I typically explain it to folks that at ASF, committers > are those > who have a strong commitment to the project, not git/svn commit bit > set. It remains a very big shame that these two words (committer and committer)

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-29 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 01:49PM, Andrew Bayer wrote: > That I agree with. =) I was just making sure it was clear that Cos was > speaking for himself, not citing an ASF requirement. You always keep me honest: much appreciated! > > A. > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Roman Shaposhnik > wrote

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-29 Thread Andrew Bayer
That I agree with. =) I was just making sure it was clear that Cos was speaking for himself, not citing an ASF requirement. A. On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Andrew Bayer > wrote: > > I would disagree - each project gets to decide it

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-29 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 6:20 PM, Russel Winder wrote: > On Mon, 2015-09-28 at 16:50 +0200, Cédric Champeau wrote: >> We already have "non code committing" committers. Russel Winder and >> Dierk >> Koenig are examples. They can be seen as gate keepers of the Groovy >> community, and they accepted t

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-29 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Andrew Bayer wrote: > I would disagree - each project gets to decide its own criteria for > committer status. There's no requirement for non-coding people to get > committer status. The thing I would like to focus on is not the criteria, but rather the lack of goi

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-29 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 04:20PM, Russel Winder wrote: > On Mon, 2015-09-28 at 16:50 +0200, Cédric Champeau wrote: > > We already have "non code committing" committers. Russel Winder and > > Dierk > > Koenig are examples. They can be seen as gate keepers of the Groovy > > community, and they accepte

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-29 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 04:45PM, Andrew Bayer wrote: > I would disagree - each project gets to decide its own criteria for > committer status. There's no requirement for non-coding people to get > committer status. You're absolutely entitled to being in a disagreement with anyone. Indeed, there's