Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Geoffrey Young
Paul Querna wrote: > Ian Holsman wrote: > >> Also I would start discussing with some of the other 1.3-only module >> writers out there on how to port their stuff to 2.0, or port it for them. > > > There are not many left now Just those mod_perl guys, and they are > at 1.99.9. I think

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 03:30 PM 3/1/2005, Ian Holsman wrote: >The biggest hurdle 2.0 has had to face IMO is: >- 1.3 isn't broken >- we run 1.3 already >- module XYZ only runs on 1.3 >- 2.0 doesn't do anything that 1.3 doesn't do anyway > >What I would suggest for your marketing campaign would be to write and submit >

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Jess Holle
Wayne S. Frazee wrote: Jess Holle writes: The use cases are: 1. multiple organizations, each with their own LDAP wish to allow their personnel into a common site -- each has its own, separately administered LDAP 2. a single organization has a read-only internal LDAP and a writable

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Paul Querna
Ian Holsman wrote: Also I would start discussing with some of the other 1.3-only module writers out there on how to port their stuff to 2.0, or port it for them. There are not many left now Just those mod_perl guys, and they are at 1.99.9. Are there any other modules you were thinking o

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Wayne S. Frazee
Jess Holle writes: The use cases are: 1. multiple organizations, each with their own LDAP wish to allow their personnel into a common site -- each has its own, separately administered LDAP 2. a single organization has a read-only internal LDAP and a writable LDAP for external g

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Wayne S. Frazee
Ian Holsman writes: Also I would start discussing with some of the other 1.3-only module writers out there on how to port their stuff to 2.0, or port it for them. Ian, your note on apache promotion via whitepaper is well taken. Is anyone aware of existing papers on the subject (specifically, a

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Ian Holsman
The biggest hurdle 2.0 has had to face IMO is: - 1.3 isn't broken - we run 1.3 already - module XYZ only runs on 1.3 - 2.0 doesn't do anything that 1.3 doesn't do anyway What I would suggest for your marketing campaign would be to write and submit several technical articles about apache2 and how i

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Bill Stoddard
Paul Querna wrote: Andrà Malo wrote: I personally believe, that there is actually no problem to solve. While we are free to write the software we like, people are free to use the software they like. I have no desire to "force" someone to use either version. But that's my very humble opinion ;-)

RE: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread TAYLOR, TIM \(CONTRACTOR\)
That's what you get for suggesting marketing to techies, Wayne. Anyway I was thinking the same thing. Heck the "puzzling thread" provided some good marketing fodder already: Bojan Smojver wrote: ...Given that all major Linux and other distros ship Apache 2 as a default web server, it's only a ma

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Paul Querna
Andrà Malo wrote: I personally believe, that there is actually no problem to solve. While we are free to write the software we like, people are free to use the software they like. I have no desire to "force" someone to use either version. But that's my very humble opinion ;-) Marketing isn't abou

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread André Malo
* Wayne S. Frazee wrote: > As I sat reading the responses to the new development thread on > acceptance of Apache 2 and some users' regression to 1.3, it struck me > when someone mentioned that they believed part of the problem to be > marketing. Mozilla advertised firefox with a large one-time i

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Colm MacCarthaigh
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 08:05:30PM +, Wayne S. Frazee wrote: > Looking for feedback, legal, devils advocate, et al on the concept, if not > the execution. I don't think professional, competent Webserver administrators generally respond well to marketing. In my experience, they (we!) prefer a

Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Wayne S. Frazee
I entreat each potential responder to this email to please read it all the way through and THEN respond rather than knee-jerk something based on only the first paragraph or two... As I sat reading the responses to the new development thread on acceptance of Apache 2 and some users' regression

External Hooks discussion

2005-03-01 Thread luca regini
I can't find anywhere an explanation about external hooks and the use of the APR_DECLARE_EXTERNAL_HOOK macro. Is there anyone that has some experience with them and can provide clarifications?? Thanks in advance. Luca

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Erik Abele
On 01.03.2005, at 15:18, Graham Leggett wrote: Paul A Houle said: I think of all the features that web site authors and developers need that still don't exist in mainstream web servers; part of this is in the area of "content management" and another major are is authentication -- pretty much

Re: Authentication Needs for Apache: Was Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Erik Abele
On 01.03.2005, at 15:52, Sean Mehan wrote: Just a pointer to something that is gaining a bit of ground in various circles: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/11511/sstc-saml- tech-overview-2.0-draft-03.pdf found at http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/documents.php?wg_abbrev=sec

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Jess Holle
Graham Leggett wrote: Jess Holle said: Also a module (for Apache 2, not 1.3) that could use multiple LDAP repositories -- and not for failover, but for separate user communities -- all for a single resource/directory would be *very* helpful. Can mod_authnz_ldap not do th

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
"Graham Leggett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Joe Schaefer said: > >>> Something like an auth module that can do "form based" auth, in >>> addition to "basic" and "digest" etc would probably be very useful. >> >> apreq does that. > > What is apreq? Its an httpd subproject. Basically its a serve

Authentication Needs for Apache: Was Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Sean Mehan
Just a pointer to something that is gaining a bit of ground in various circles: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/11511/sstc-saml-tech- overview-2.0-draft-03.pdf found at http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/documents.php?wg_abbrev=security This is about SAML, a vocabulary for

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Graham Leggett
Jess Holle said: > Also a module (for Apache 2, not 1.3) that could use multiple LDAP > repositories -- and not for failover, but for separate user communities > -- all for a single resource/directory would be *very* helpful. Can mod_authnz_ldap not do this? > Right now, you have to use arcane L

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Graham Leggett
Joe Schaefer said: >> Something like an auth module that can do "form based" auth, in >> addition to "basic" and "digest" etc would probably be very useful. > > apreq does that. What is apreq? Regards, Graham --

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Joe Schaefer
"Graham Leggett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > Something like an auth module that can do "form based" auth, in > addition to "basic" and "digest" etc would probably be very useful. apreq does that. -- Joe Schaefer

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Jess Holle
Graham Leggett wrote: Paul A Houle said: I think of all the features that web site authors and developers need that still don't exist in mainstream web servers; part of this is in the area of "content management" and another major are is authentication -- pretty much any serious interactiv

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Graham Leggett
Paul A Houle said: > I think of all the features that web site authors and developers > need that still don't exist in mainstream web servers; part of this > is in the area of "content management" and another major are is > authentication -- pretty much any serious interactive web site need

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Jeffrey Burgoyne
But how many people really need 10,000+ concurrent connections? Obviously CNN does. I'll make a bet Amazon does. Lets add ebay. Those are power users. The web site I manage does about 5 million hits per day (not including graphics, style sheets, etc which are served by a different server), 80% o

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Brian Akins
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Monday, February 28, 2005 6:24 PM -0500 Jeffrey Burgoyne I believe 255 concurrent clients is really low now-a-days for high-end production servers. It's when you start to get into several thousand concurrent connections that I've found that the memory model of pr

Re: Syntax error during HTTP2 reload

2005-03-01 Thread Henri Gomez
Well the only module not distributed in apache2 distro is mod_jk (another ASF module). Well I'll try to upgrade my production systems with 2.0.53 and latest mod_jk (1.2.9-dev). Thanks Jeff On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 05:57:39 -0500, Jeff Trawick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:04:03 +

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Paul A Houle
> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: >> At 03:17 PM 2/28/2005, Paul A. Houle wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:09:55 +, Wayne S. Frazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>wrote: > >> Oh boy - you don't know *what* you are missing :) Threads on >> Linux barely differ from distinct processes, while on Solaris >>

Re: Puzzling News

2005-03-01 Thread Glenn Nielsen
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 12:02:11AM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > At 03:17 PM 2/28/2005, Paul A. Houle wrote: > >On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:09:55 +, Wayne S. Frazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > >We've got production instances of Apache 2 running on Linux and Solaris, > >all of whi

Re: Syntax error during HTTP2 reload

2005-03-01 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:04:03 +0100, Henri Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nobody to wonder about this bug ? sure; note that you're using old code (2.0.49/2.0.49) which isn't supported here anyway since we don't know what code is in it (SuSE) > > It's seems the problem occurs will Apache receive

Re: using xerces-c in Apache2 module

2005-03-01 Thread Eli Marmor
Paul Querna wrote: > > Laszlo wrote: > > Hi all > > > > Have somebody used xerces-c in an apache2 module? > > My files contain XML data and I want to handle > > them with an Apache2 module. > > > > How is it possible? > > I only have personal experience on handling XML with libxml2 in apache > mo

Re: Syntax error during HTTP2 reload

2005-03-01 Thread Henri Gomez
Nobody to wonder about this bug ? On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:45:36 +0100, Henri Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi to all, > > Apache 2 (2.0.48/2.0.49) got problems at restart time (SIGUSR1) when > rotating its log. > > [Thu Feb 24 04:15:11 2005] [notice] Apache/2.0.48 (Linux/SuSE) > configured