Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-02 Thread Bojan Smojver
Quoting Paul Querna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > There are not many left now Just those mod_perl guys, and they are > at 1.99.9. He, he, nice try :-) It's actually 2.0.0-RC4. http://perl.apache.org/download/index.html -- Bojan

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-02 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Graham Leggett wrote: > Perhaps another plan is to add a section giving real reasons why to > upgrade to Apache 2, and potentially publicise that. "We have MPMs" means > nothing to the webmaster. "Apache 2 can run XXX% faster under Solaris > using worker" is far more useful i

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-02 Thread Graham Leggett
Wayne S. Frazee said: > As I sat reading the responses to the new development thread on acceptance > of Apache 2 and some users' regression to 1.3, it struck me when someone > mentioned that they believed part of the problem to be marketing. Mozilla > advertised firefox with a large one-time inve

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Geoffrey Young
Paul Querna wrote: > Ian Holsman wrote: > >> Also I would start discussing with some of the other 1.3-only module >> writers out there on how to port their stuff to 2.0, or port it for them. > > > There are not many left now Just those mod_perl guys, and they are > at 1.99.9. I think

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 03:30 PM 3/1/2005, Ian Holsman wrote: >The biggest hurdle 2.0 has had to face IMO is: >- 1.3 isn't broken >- we run 1.3 already >- module XYZ only runs on 1.3 >- 2.0 doesn't do anything that 1.3 doesn't do anyway > >What I would suggest for your marketing campaign would be to write and submit >

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Paul Querna
Ian Holsman wrote: Also I would start discussing with some of the other 1.3-only module writers out there on how to port their stuff to 2.0, or port it for them. There are not many left now Just those mod_perl guys, and they are at 1.99.9. Are there any other modules you were thinking o

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Wayne S. Frazee
Ian Holsman writes: Also I would start discussing with some of the other 1.3-only module writers out there on how to port their stuff to 2.0, or port it for them. Ian, your note on apache promotion via whitepaper is well taken. Is anyone aware of existing papers on the subject (specifically, a

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Ian Holsman
The biggest hurdle 2.0 has had to face IMO is: - 1.3 isn't broken - we run 1.3 already - module XYZ only runs on 1.3 - 2.0 doesn't do anything that 1.3 doesn't do anyway What I would suggest for your marketing campaign would be to write and submit several technical articles about apache2 and how i

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Bill Stoddard
Paul Querna wrote: Andrà Malo wrote: I personally believe, that there is actually no problem to solve. While we are free to write the software we like, people are free to use the software they like. I have no desire to "force" someone to use either version. But that's my very humble opinion ;-)

RE: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread TAYLOR, TIM \(CONTRACTOR\)
--- I wouldn't want to do it, but brainwashing (err) marketing does work. Ask Microsoft! regards, tt -Original Message- From: Wayne S. Frazee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 3:06 PM To: dev@httpd.apache.org Subject: Actively Promoting Apache

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Paul Querna
Andrà Malo wrote: I personally believe, that there is actually no problem to solve. While we are free to write the software we like, people are free to use the software they like. I have no desire to "force" someone to use either version. But that's my very humble opinion ;-) Marketing isn't abou

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread André Malo
* Wayne S. Frazee wrote: > As I sat reading the responses to the new development thread on > acceptance of Apache 2 and some users' regression to 1.3, it struck me > when someone mentioned that they believed part of the problem to be > marketing. Mozilla advertised firefox with a large one-time i

Re: Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Colm MacCarthaigh
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 08:05:30PM +, Wayne S. Frazee wrote: > Looking for feedback, legal, devils advocate, et al on the concept, if not > the execution. I don't think professional, competent Webserver administrators generally respond well to marketing. In my experience, they (we!) prefer a

Actively Promoting Apache 2

2005-03-01 Thread Wayne S. Frazee
I entreat each potential responder to this email to please read it all the way through and THEN respond rather than knee-jerk something based on only the first paragraph or two... As I sat reading the responses to the new development thread on acceptance of Apache 2 and some users' regression