Re: httpd has no reason to improve...

2005-08-25 Thread phildietz
My 2 cents says the mod_cgi in 1.3 is better than the 2.0 series... Custom changes to mod_cgi are much easier to perform in the 1.3 code base. It wasnt until 2.0.54 or whatever until the stderr deadlocks were fixed... and I'm still uncertain if mod_cgi and mod_cgid perform identical with stderr

Re: httpd has no reason to improve...

2005-08-22 Thread r . pluem
Paul A Houle wrote: [..cut..] > very little to offer end users. A few people thought it would be great > to have pluggable MPM's, and a few other people introduced half-baked > systems such as mod_cache and filters. You know a tree by its fruit, What is half-baked about filters? Without t

Re: httpd has no reason to improve...

2005-08-22 Thread Nick Kew
Paul A Houle wrote: Ben Collins-Sussman wrote: I see a lot of frustration going on. The thing is, httpd's development process is nearly identical to Subversion's process... we stole most of it from you folks! So why all the angst in httpd-land, but not in Subversion-land? Too many vers

Re: httpd has no reason to improve...

2005-08-22 Thread Joe Schaefer
Paul A Houle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I don't see excellence coming from "swiss army knife" frameworks > that do everything, but from systems that are developed from a whole > system viewpoint, that have a good amount of codesign between layers of > the system -- if you build a system

Re: httpd has no reason to improve...

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Akins
Paul A Houle wrote: I don't see end users clamoring for mod_ftp, or mod_snmpd. What's the point of writing a squid replacement unless you can actually make something better? That's why I have been posting so many cache patches. -- Brian Akins Lead Systems Engineer CNN Internet Techno

Re: httpd has no reason to improve...

2005-08-22 Thread Jim Jagielski
Paul A Houle wrote: > > > mod_ftp will underperform mainstream ftp servers so long as its > running under prefork. Similarly, cacheing proxy servers will > outperform squid. > Simple "performance" isn't everything. Stability, reliability, ease of administration, etc are all factors whic

Re: httpd has no reason to improve...

2005-08-22 Thread Garrett Rooney
Paul A Houle wrote: I don't see end users clamoring for mod_ftp, or mod_snmpd. What's the point of writing a squid replacement unless you can actually make something better? You seem to be under the mistaken impression that it's the users who decide what the project does. Apache projec

Re: httpd has no reason to improve...

2005-08-22 Thread Paul A Houle
Joe Schaefer wrote: Paul A Houle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: IMO market-share doesn't relate to project activity. The word I most associate with apache development is empowerment; cheifly to empower users to build better web stuff. Users that need to tweak the software in order to make that h

Re: httpd has no reason to improve...

2005-08-22 Thread Joe Schaefer
Paul A Houle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ben Collins-Sussman wrote: > >> I see a lot of frustration going on. The thing is, httpd's development >> process is nearly identical to Subversion's process... we stole most >> of it from you folks! So why all the angst in httpd-land, but not in >>

httpd has no reason to improve...

2005-08-22 Thread Paul A Houle
Ben Collins-Sussman wrote: I see a lot of frustration going on. The thing is, httpd's development process is nearly identical to Subversion's process... we stole most of it from you folks! So why all the angst in httpd-land, but not in Subversion-land? It's really a lack of direction