Re: JMeter hangout / public conferences

2016-08-31 Thread Philippe Mouawad
I'm also interested in english version On Wednesday, August 31, 2016, Antonio Gomes Rodrigues wrote: > I am interested by English slides if you have time to translate it :-) > > 2016-08-31 14:35 GMT+02:00 Vladimir Sitnikov >: > > > Antonio>Is the slides will be available? > > > > The talk will

Re: Test plan warnings

2016-08-31 Thread Philippe Mouawad
On Wednesday, August 31, 2016, Epp, Jeremiah W (Contractor) wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Vladimir Sitnikov [mailto:sitnikov.vladi...@gmail.com > ] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:24 AM > > To: dev@jmeter.apache.org > > Subject: Test plan warnings > > > > 1) A proper way

RE: Test plan warnings

2016-08-31 Thread Epp, Jeremiah W (Contractor)
> -Original Message- > From: Vladimir Sitnikov [mailto:sitnikov.vladi...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:24 AM > To: dev@jmeter.apache.org > Subject: Test plan warnings > > 1) A proper way to place inter-page timers is to wrap the timer into some > kind of "test action". So

Re: JMeter hangout / public conferences

2016-08-31 Thread Antonio Gomes Rodrigues
I am interested by English slides if you have time to translate it :-) 2016-08-31 14:35 GMT+02:00 Vladimir Sitnikov : > Antonio>Is the slides will be available? > > The talk will be in Russian, so I've got draft slides in Russian. > > I might create English variation if there's a demand. > > > Vl

Re: JMeter hangout / public conferences

2016-08-31 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
Antonio>Is the slides will be available? The talk will be in Russian, so I've got draft slides in Russian. I might create English variation if there's a demand. Vladimir

Re: JMeter hangout / public conferences

2016-08-31 Thread Antonio Gomes Rodrigues
Hi Vladimir, No JMeter hangout / load test conference planned for me Arranging a hangout session could be great but, in my opinion, but they must be different from those organized by Blazemeter/etc. I think we need to add to JMeter site/wiki a list of previous and planned conference And "bravo

Re: Test plan warnings

2016-08-31 Thread Philippe Mouawad
I find the idea nice. the reporting could be similar to eclipse problems view at the bottom. This way if user is not interested he can remove the view. Or we can pake the view appear only on demand. I think it could be built in a way that makes checks pluggable. On Wednesday, August 31, 2016,

Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread Philippe Mouawad
Hi Andrei, Existence of your plugins manager(which is a great idea that should have been in Core) must not mean core Jmeter should not be enhanced. Plugins can be of any quality, having features in core guarantees it. Regards On Wednesday, August 31, 2016, Andrey Pokhilko wrote: > That thread

Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread Philippe Mouawad
Hi Vladimir, As you can read I just tried to provide an answer to your question. I don't think there was a patch right ? You can see I asked for a bugzilla and an attached patch. Anyway, please provide a patch so that we can review it. I am very interested if it is a better solution than CTT. Re

Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
Andrey>That thread was one year ago. JMeterPlugins discussion https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/jmeter-plugins/K8I6LIRwYjM/kWteXor28kQJ took place more than three years ago. 2013/04/04 to be exact. Vladimir

Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
Philippe>Are you sure you submitted it to JMeter ? I am quite sure. Here's the thread: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev/201502.mbox/%3CCAB=Je-GON1QUxAD6nnzMLA0wh9JMpk8nh=y8uylihfg8mao...@mail.gmail.com%3E Here's your response http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jmeter-dev

Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread Andrey Pokhilko
That thread was one year ago. Today, there is Plugins Manager that allows you to maintain your plugin under your GitHub account and use Plugins Manager as a way to distribute your plugin for audience. Andrey Pokhilko On 08/31/2016 01:20 PM, Philippe Mouawad wrote: > On Wednesday, August 31, 2016,

Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread Philippe Mouawad
On Wednesday, August 31, 2016, Vladimir Sitnikov < sitnikov.vladi...@gmail.com> wrote: > UBIK>because you mentioned in the bugzilla CTT > > I try to protect JMeter end-users from culprits like "when using adjust > timers CTT produces completely wrong load rate". I do not suggest to > discuss CTT

Re: Test plan warnings

2016-08-31 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
sebb>I think it's far more important to ensure that the features ... and well documented. Note: there are certain peculiarities that are very unexpected by the typical user. Of course doing some RTFM solves some problems, however I still think having a spell checker that allows false positives is

Re: Test plan warnings

2016-08-31 Thread Antonio Gomes Rodrigues
Hi I think it could be usefull for performance warning Antonio 2016-08-31 11:20 GMT+02:00 Milamber : > > > On 31/08/2016 10:11, sebb wrote: > >> I think it's far more important to ensure that the features which are >> added to JMeter are genuinely useful and well documented. >> > > +1 > > >

Re: Submenus for JMeter elements

2016-08-31 Thread sebb
On 31 August 2016 at 10:09, Vladimir Sitnikov wrote: > Andrey>That's why I used "label prefix" approach to visually > group plugins of "jp@gc" > Andrey>It serves the purpose of grouping without > introducing new menu levels. > > jp@gc makes it hard to read. +1 > Nothing personal, but I'm always re

Re: Test plan warnings

2016-08-31 Thread Milamber
On 31/08/2016 10:11, sebb wrote: I think it's far more important to ensure that the features which are added to JMeter are genuinely useful and well documented. +1

Re: Submenus for JMeter elements

2016-08-31 Thread Vincent HERILIER
Andrey> I was using a same kind of way but it works only for conscious users in my case - that's why I'm looking for a more user friendly approach Andrey, Vladimir> at least only one sub level may be enough Vincent 2016-08-31 11:09 GMT+02:00 Vladimir Sitnikov : > Andrey>That's why I used "label

Re: Test plan warnings

2016-08-31 Thread sebb
On 31 August 2016 at 09:23, Vladimir Sitnikov wrote: > Hi, > > As far as I understand, JMeter UI lacks feedback for "error prone" > configurations. It would be so much better if JMeter would have "spell > checker" integrated, so it warned on "bad test plan patterns". > Not strictly true. The GUI

Re: Submenus for JMeter elements

2016-08-31 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
Andrey>That's why I used "label prefix" approach to visually group plugins of "jp@gc" Andrey>It serves the purpose of grouping without introducing new menu levels. jp@gc makes it hard to read. Nothing personal, but I'm always reading jp@gc as something like *(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻* The idea of enabling plu

Re: Submenus for JMeter elements

2016-08-31 Thread Andrey Pokhilko
Hi, My opinion, the deep nested popup menus is bad UX. It's tedious to find elements in them. That's why I used "label prefix" approach to visually group plugins of "jp@gc". It serves the purpose of grouping without introducing new menu levels. Andrey Pokhilko On 08/31/2016 11:42 AM, Vincent HER

Re: Submenus for JMeter elements

2016-08-31 Thread Vincent HERILIER
Accordingly to my own usecases, I didn't consider finding elements by this way, but why not... My purpose is more about grouping elements around protocol related sets or plugin related. Considering a getSubMenuCategories() method like the getMenuCategories() does for config/samplers/..., it could

Re: Submenus for JMeter elements

2016-08-31 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
Vincent>find the related Vincent>config/sampler/... elements into the native ones. Just in case: do you mean "quick search" makes sense? For instance: allow whatever grouping that makes sense, however enable quick search of the elements when user opens menu and starts typing. I think a plugin sho

Submenus for JMeter elements

2016-08-31 Thread Vincent HERILIER
Hi, First, thanks to all of you for your work on JMeter. Maybe I'm re-opening a discussion thread about the need of submenus to handle JMeter elements but when several plugins are developed around JMeter, it is difficult to manage, organise, find the related config/sampler/... elements into the n

Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
UBIK>because you mentioned in the bugzilla CTT I try to protect JMeter end-users from culprits like "when using adjust timers CTT produces completely wrong load rate". I do not suggest to discuss CTT drawbacks here. UBIK>CTT has use cases but does not fit here due to variable pauses I think. As

Test plan warnings

2016-08-31 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
Hi, As far as I understand, JMeter UI lacks feedback for "error prone" configurations. It would be so much better if JMeter would have "spell checker" integrated, so it warned on "bad test plan patterns". Was there a discussion/plan to implement that? I'm sure lack of that checker makes it very h

Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread UBIK LOAD PACK Support
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Vladimir Sitnikov < sitnikov.vladi...@gmail.com> wrote: > UBIK>The issue with CTT is that it tries to match the throughput but always > exceeds it before slowing down, and if CTT is combined with variable pauses > UBIK>, it becomes very hard for CTT to adjust the

Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
UBIK>The issue with CTT is that it tries to match the throughput but always exceeds it before slowing down, and if CTT is combined with variable pauses UBIK>, it becomes very hard for CTT to adjust the pauses to reach the Throughput.. If CTT has issues, why don't we just fix CTT then? Do you mean

Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread UBIK LOAD PACK Support
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Vladimir Sitnikov < sitnikov.vladi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >As you read, the proposed solution (add a new field to timers) handles > also > the Ajax case. > > That is true. > However it would likely to require user to walk over test plan and flip > switches "adjust

JMeter hangout / public conferences

2016-08-31 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
Hi, I wonder if there's a planned JMeter hangout / load test conference. Do you think arranging a hangout session makes sense? JFYI: My JMeter-related talk is accepted to http://heisenbug.ru/en/ conference: http://heisenbug.ru/en/talks/shopping_list_what_you_need_to_remember_when_running_jmeter_

Re: Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread Antonio Gomes Rodrigues
Hi My answers inline below 2016-08-31 1:11 GMT+02:00 harry_no_spot <13651877...@163.com>: > In my opinion. in LR it's a goodlooking feature but not a very userfu > feature. > All the Loadrunner experts I know (inluding me) use this feature in LoadRunner > This feathure has no big use in practi

Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread Antonio Gomes Rodrigues
Hi In Loadrunner, the feature (if my remember are good) only modify the think time of the lr_think_time() function used in the script Antonio 2016-08-31 9:17 GMT+02:00 Vladimir Sitnikov : > >As you read, the proposed solution (add a new field to timers) handles > also > the Ajax case. > > That

Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
>As you read, the proposed solution (add a new field to timers) handles also the Ajax case. That is true. However it would likely to require user to walk over test plan and flip switches "adjust or not" manually. That's a pity. That would open one more pitfall of "blind timer adjustment would giv

Re: Thoughts on 2 proposals

2016-08-31 Thread UBIK LOAD PACK Support
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Vladimir Sitnikov < sitnikov.vladi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Yes , but this case is already edgy in JMeter as there is no concept of > parallel request > > Note: > 1) page...ajax delay can be used even without parallel requests > 2) I expect "parallel request" featur