Re: CHAOSSCon / FOSDEM Update

[Jacques Le Roux]

Thanks Sharan and Daniel,

That's interesting, looking forward... Unfortunately I can't help in any ways 
at the moment...

Jacques

Le 06/02/2019 à 22:30, Sharan Foga a écrit :

Hi All

FOSDEM happened last weekend and we got quite a few people asking about Kibble 
(probably because of the nice stickers!) The conversation generally started 
like ‘What is that...’ or ‘Is that really a bowl of dog food?’

Whatever – the opening line – we did quite a few demos and answered a lot of 
questions over the two very full days. As far as outreach and community 
building is concerned, it was definitely a good thing to do.

As well as FOSDEM myself and Daniel also attended CHAOSSCon. This was the first 
time we’ve attended and it was focussed around the work being done by the 
CHAOSS group around defining Community health metrics as well as the software 
implementations of those metrics. It was good to get an idea of what is going 
on in the whole ecosystem, and also some pointers of where things need further 
work. For example – one of the keynotes highlighted that although github is a 
great tool for open source projects to use and grow,  it isnt the only 
repository for open source projects, so we need to make sure that any metric 
tool can cover all repository types.

Daniel also did a 5 minute lightning talk about Kibble (I pretty much helped by 
changing the slides :-). Anyway we heard some really interesting stuff that I 
think will be useful for helping us develop Kibble.

The main takeaways for me were:

- We need to become involved with the CHAOSS working groups to either help 
define or at least understand what has been defined as the metrics
- We need to ensure Kibble is aligned with the CHAOSS metrics so that it can be 
a useful tool not only within Apache but also to any open source project / 
organsation that would like to use it
- We need to make sure that Kibble responds to the stories that people are 
looking for (this might be a bit cryptic so I think we need to start a separate 
discussion thread about that one as I think it could become an important part 
of the project strategy)
- We need to continue to reach out to grow our community as new people bring 
new ideas and experiences.

I came back with a head full of ideas so please watch out as I will probably 
start a few threads about those :-)

Thanks
Sharan

Re: Kibble used as part of an MBA paper

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Sharan,

For lack of time I had a look at the summary of the wiki page, quite 
interesting conclusions!

Thanks

Jacques

Le 10/01/2019 à 17:27, Sharan Foga a écrit :

Hi All

I’ve done the edits and have loaded my paper onto the Kibble wiki here. 
https://s.apache.org/VTAy

I’ve also created a wiki page without all the nice Kibble graphs :-)  that 
summarises the main points from the paper here. https://s.apache.org/ESEh

Please feel to take a look and give any feedback. Also please feel free to 
comments on the wiki  page itself or start a discussion on this mailing list.

Thanks
Sharan

On 2018/12/30 11:24:58, Sharan Foga  wrote:

Hi Georg

Thanks for the interest. I have some minor edits to do so will do those and get 
it posted later this week. It's 31 pages long so might see if I can do a 
summary version too.

Thanks
Sharan

On 2018/12/22 18:13:42, Georg Link  wrote:

Hi Sharan,

Interesting setup. I would like to read the paper :)

Happy Holidays,
Georg

On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 3:59 AM Sharan Foga  wrote:


Hi All

I’m sorry I haven’t been that active on this recently, this has been
caused by a few things happening that meant that I needed to focus my time
and effort elsewhere.

One of the things that my time has been focussed on is on assignment for
my MBA where I have used Kibble as my research tool.

To give you some background.

My paper was focussed on the transmission of culture and values in open
source and I wanted to create a baseline to be able to measure cultural
indicators. So how can Kibble help? (I hear you ask :-), so let me explain
a little.

Kibble includes the following:

-  Pony Factor – which is an indicator of the diversity of key project
contributors. So thinking of the Apache culture and its values, we would be
looking to see the Pony Factor grow over time as a project community grows
and accepts new conributors. There is also a meta Pony Factor which tries
to measure the diversity of the companies contributing.

- Sentient / Mood Analysis – which indicates the mood of the mailing list
communications.

- Key Phrase Extraction (KPE) – which pulls out important words or phrases
that summarise the main topics or ideas that are being discussed on the
mailing list.

- Contributor Retention – this is divided into two parts; one is the
length of time contributors have been in a community and two; a breakdown
of active, retained, people who have left a community and also those that
have returned after a breakdown


* Methodology *
What I’ve done is this:

Apache culture was created as a result of the Apache Webserver project. So
I used this Kibble data for this project to create a cultural baseline
based on the above indicators.

I then took two sets of Apache projects (one group that have been ASF Top
Level projects for over 5 years and one group that have been Apache Top
Level projects for less than 5 years) and measured their indicators in
Kibble.

I then compared them both to the Apache webserver cultural baseline.

My results were interesting and the most significant thing I can mention
is that the +1 indicator, which is something culturally unique to Apache as
a consensus indicator came out as part of the KPE analysis is all 3
groups.(So some cultural transmission is happening!)

It also seemed to indicate that the older projects were better at some of
the Apache cultural aspects e.g the recognition of merit, where the younger
projects were amazingly successful at community growth.

I’ll load my paper maybe onto the wiki for people to look at (and probably
critique :-) before I share it more widely within Apache.

Thanks
Sharan





--
Georg J.P. Link
PhD Candidate
College of Information Science and Technology | PKI 367
University of Nebraska at Omaha | www.unomaha.edu
he/him

Re: Contributors page tests

[Jacques Le Roux]

Le 17/09/2018 à 09:38, Daniel Gruno a écrit :

Hi folks,
I've started building the contributors page that was missing in kibble.
It's a very early draft, but for instance, you can see all kibble contributors 
for the past year at:
https://demo.kibble.apache.org/contributors.html?page=people=kibble=1505599200=1537221599

You can filter by date and sources (including quick filter), so you can, for instance, see everyone who's interacted with a project, or just 
committers, just email authors and so on.


I'll get it more interactive later on.

With regards,
Daniel.


Just to day that I like it :)

Jacques

Re: Request for Participation: The Right Metrics for the Right Project

[Jacques Le Roux]

Le 09/01/2018 à 12:40, Rafael Weingärtner a écrit :

Ah, so you created your own user. You are not using the guest user?

Ah right, got the same way than with snoot.io


I am still not able to do this process there. someone would need to add you
as a user into Apache org there.

OK no hurry, I'll use the guest user in the meantime

Thanks

Jacques


On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:


Thanks Rafael,

But I can't (permission) add them either using my @a.o address or my main
own

Jacques



Le 09/01/2018 à 12:15, Rafael Weingärtner a écrit :


OFBIZ's SVN was not added. However, we added Github repositories:
https://github.com/apache/ofbiz-framework.git
https://github.com/apache/ofbiz-plugins.git
https://github.com/apache/ofbiz.git

I am not sure if the integration with SVN is working...

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:

Hi Daniel,

When I try to add the trunk svn sources to the OFBiz view I created it
says I can't despite using my @a.o address

How to add myself to an organisation? At https://demo.kibble.apache.org
/organisations.html?page=org I get "You don't seem to belong to any
organisations just yet."

And when I get to https://demo.kibble.apache.org
/organisations.html?page=org-users I only read "Loading, hang on
tight..!
" even after some minutes (I get a lot of that everywhere ;))

BTW I guess it's based on snoot.io right? (I have got snoot to work
right)

Thanks

Jacques



Le 27/11/2017 à 19:26, Daniel Gruno a écrit :

Hi there, fellow Apache projects!

The Apache Kibble project serves as a practical implementation of
metrics deemed to be helpful for open source projects trying to
understand where their project is, was, and is headed.

As such, we need help in determining which metrics projects either
already use and consider useful for measuring project health or which
metrics they would love to have and use.

We are looking for projects interested in participating in the Kibble
demo instance ( https://demo.kibble.apache.org/ ) and sending feedback
to the Kibble project on which parts they find useful, which elements
they find useless and which ideas they would love to see implemented to
better gauge the health and activity of their project.

Initially we are looking for Apache projects to help out, but we will
later on expand this to other open source organizations and projects.

Projects that participate will be added to the demo instance and scanned
on a regular basis so the data can be used for reports and analysis.
The Kibble PMC will ensure that the correct sources are added, but you
are of course welcome to help identify which parts need analyzing.

How to participate:

- Join the dev@kibble.apache.org mailing list and let us know if your
project is interested in joining the demo (a few projects were added in
advance so you can actually test it). You can also join us on HipChat or
in #kibble on Freenode IRC (IRC and HipChat are bridged).

- Try out the demo, and send us feedback to the mailing list on what you
like, dislike and would love to see added.

- In particular: Which metrics do you look for when reviewing the code,
development and community health/trends of your project - which do you
have, which would you love to see added?

With regards,
Daniel on behalf of the Apache Kibble project.

PS: Please note, we have limited capacity for these tests. We cannot
have every single ASF project in the demo, and we reserve the rights to
pick the projects that can participate, should we get a lot of requests.

Re: Request for Participation: The Right Metrics for the Right Project

[Jacques Le Roux]

Thanks Rafael,

But I can't (permission) add them either using my @a.o address or my main own

Jacques


Le 09/01/2018 à 12:15, Rafael Weingärtner a écrit :

OFBIZ's SVN was not added. However, we added Github repositories:
https://github.com/apache/ofbiz-framework.git
https://github.com/apache/ofbiz-plugins.git
https://github.com/apache/ofbiz.git

I am not sure if the integration with SVN is working...

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:


Hi Daniel,

When I try to add the trunk svn sources to the OFBiz view I created it
says I can't despite using my @a.o address

How to add myself to an organisation? At https://demo.kibble.apache.org
/organisations.html?page=org I get "You don't seem to belong to any
organisations just yet."

And when I get to https://demo.kibble.apache.org
/organisations.html?page=org-users I only read "Loading, hang on tight..!
" even after some minutes (I get a lot of that everywhere ;))

BTW I guess it's based on snoot.io right? (I have got snoot to work right)

Thanks

Jacques



Le 27/11/2017 à 19:26, Daniel Gruno a écrit :


Hi there, fellow Apache projects!

The Apache Kibble project serves as a practical implementation of
metrics deemed to be helpful for open source projects trying to
understand where their project is, was, and is headed.

As such, we need help in determining which metrics projects either
already use and consider useful for measuring project health or which
metrics they would love to have and use.

We are looking for projects interested in participating in the Kibble
demo instance ( https://demo.kibble.apache.org/ ) and sending feedback
to the Kibble project on which parts they find useful, which elements
they find useless and which ideas they would love to see implemented to
better gauge the health and activity of their project.

Initially we are looking for Apache projects to help out, but we will
later on expand this to other open source organizations and projects.

Projects that participate will be added to the demo instance and scanned
on a regular basis so the data can be used for reports and analysis.
The Kibble PMC will ensure that the correct sources are added, but you
are of course welcome to help identify which parts need analyzing.

How to participate:

- Join the dev@kibble.apache.org mailing list and let us know if your
project is interested in joining the demo (a few projects were added in
advance so you can actually test it). You can also join us on HipChat or
in #kibble on Freenode IRC (IRC and HipChat are bridged).

- Try out the demo, and send us feedback to the mailing list on what you
like, dislike and would love to see added.

- In particular: Which metrics do you look for when reviewing the code,
development and community health/trends of your project - which do you
have, which would you love to see added?

With regards,
Daniel on behalf of the Apache Kibble project.

PS: Please note, we have limited capacity for these tests. We cannot
have every single ASF project in the demo, and we reserve the rights to
pick the projects that can participate, should we get a lot of requests.

Re: Request for Participation: The Right Metrics for the Right Project

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Daniel,

When I try to add the trunk svn sources to the OFBiz view I created it says I 
can't despite using my @a.o address

How to add myself to an organisation? At https://demo.kibble.apache.org/organisations.html?page=org I get "You don't seem to belong to any 
organisations just yet."


And when I get to https://demo.kibble.apache.org/organisations.html?page=org-users I only read "Loading, hang on tight..! " even after some minutes (I 
get a lot of that everywhere ;))


BTW I guess it's based on snoot.io right? (I have got snoot to work right)

Thanks

Jacques


Le 27/11/2017 à 19:26, Daniel Gruno a écrit :

Hi there, fellow Apache projects!

The Apache Kibble project serves as a practical implementation of
metrics deemed to be helpful for open source projects trying to
understand where their project is, was, and is headed.

As such, we need help in determining which metrics projects either
already use and consider useful for measuring project health or which
metrics they would love to have and use.

We are looking for projects interested in participating in the Kibble
demo instance ( https://demo.kibble.apache.org/ ) and sending feedback
to the Kibble project on which parts they find useful, which elements
they find useless and which ideas they would love to see implemented to
better gauge the health and activity of their project.

Initially we are looking for Apache projects to help out, but we will
later on expand this to other open source organizations and projects.

Projects that participate will be added to the demo instance and scanned
on a regular basis so the data can be used for reports and analysis.
The Kibble PMC will ensure that the correct sources are added, but you
are of course welcome to help identify which parts need analyzing.

How to participate:

- Join the dev@kibble.apache.org mailing list and let us know if your
project is interested in joining the demo (a few projects were added in
advance so you can actually test it). You can also join us on HipChat or
in #kibble on Freenode IRC (IRC and HipChat are bridged).

- Try out the demo, and send us feedback to the mailing list on what you
like, dislike and would love to see added.

- In particular: Which metrics do you look for when reviewing the code,
development and community health/trends of your project - which do you
have, which would you love to see added?

With regards,
Daniel on behalf of the Apache Kibble project.

PS: Please note, we have limited capacity for these tests. We cannot
have every single ASF project in the demo, and we reserve the rights to
pick the projects that can participate, should we get a lot of requests.

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