Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-08-19 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Clayton, Thanks. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:07 PM, ccornell - OpenOffice.org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If anyone needs any assistance with organization, the WikiBot is available. > The WikiBot can be used to bulk move pages - this is helpful if there are a > lot of pages you would like to h

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-08-14 Thread ccornell - OpenOffice.org
Can anyone summarize discussion so far on "How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?" and give us some idea what the best practice of using the wiki? I think this is the best to read: http://l10n.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=9607 We really need to organize our Japanese contents o

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-08-12 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Cor, On Friday, 2008-08-08 20:21:34 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: > However I see one disadvantage on > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:NL.OpenOffice.org : > all the pages are listed under the N :-\ You can specify an Index entry under which a page should appear, for example [[Ca

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-08-08 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi khirano, Kazunari Hirano wrote (9-8-2008 2:15) Can anyone summarize discussion so far on "How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?" and give us some idea what the best practice of using the wiki? I think this is the best to read: http://l10n.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=9607

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-08-08 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Cor, Alexandro and all, Can anyone summarize discussion so far on "How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?" and give us some idea what the best practice of using the wiki? We really need to organize our Japanese contents on the wiki :) Thanks, khirano On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:21 AM, Cor Nouws

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-08-08 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi again, Cor Nouws wrote (17-7-2008 21:40) So that is http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NL/ for the pages of the Dutch language group. I moved the various Dutch language pages - were not yet that much. However I see one disadvantage on http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category

Re: [l10n-dev] Re: [native-lang] Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-21 Thread ccornell - OpenOffice.org
the wiki requires at least the first letter in upper-case, so "IT" is probably the best compromise. I agree that all-caps is the best compromise. I find a flaw in the idea that non-English pages on the Wiki are localized versions of English pages. Yes indeed. I was wondering about that, sin

[l10n-dev] Re: [native-lang] Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-20 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hi, Le 19 juil. 08 à 14:09, Clytie Siddall a écrit : During OOoCon 2007 the Wiki was discussed and recommended as an alternative to *.openoffice.org web pages when the CollabNet infrastructure made them hard to write or maintain. So some pages on the Wiki do not have a corresponding Engl

[l10n-dev] Re: [native-lang] Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-19 Thread Clytie Siddall
On 19/07/2008, at 7:43 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: (Replying to [EMAIL PROTECTED] too as per Sophie's request) On 15/07/2008 ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote: We could start using the ISO_code/subpage structure like the German language example above I completely agree. Let's just decide on

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-19 Thread Andrea Pescetti
(Replying to [EMAIL PROTECTED] too as per Sophie's request) On 15/07/2008 ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote: > We could start using the ISO_code/subpage structure like the German > language example above I completely agree. Let's just decide on the capitalization to use ("IT" or "It") and the Ita

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-18 Thread Clayton
The only "required" capital letter is the first letter. You can try to make the page name a lower case, but the Wiki will insist on changing it to an initial capital Correct. However, further capitalization is significant, .../Nl/some and .../NL/some are different pages, so each l10n project

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-18 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Clayton, On Friday, 2008-07-18 08:25:15 +0200, Clayton wrote: > You are not searching on URL (ie Wiki URL), you are searching on > content... Well, it depends on ;-) Some search engines give a page a higher ranking if the search term is part of the URL. Eike -- OOo/SO Calc core devel

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-18 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi, On Friday, 2008-07-18 08:12:24 +0200, Clayton wrote: > The only "required" capital letter is the first letter. You can try to > make the page name a lower case, but the Wiki will insist on changing it > to an initial capital Correct. However, further capitalization is significant, .../N

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread Clayton
{{DISPLAYTITLE:Your_localized_title}} syntax to give the translated Thankyou very much for telling us about this syntax! I'm glad it works. :-) There are a lot of little hidden features in the Wiki, and even more that can be added through Extensions. that could be done by a WIkiBot? Ye

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread Clayton
As far as OOoES is concern we use spanish for the title of the pages. i.e. HowToBeginner -> ComoPrincipiantes So people will be googling for something on their own language which makes it a complete different term to search to. You are not searching on URL (ie Wiki URL), you are searching on

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread Clayton
"just an idea" ... well, give us more of just this kind of ideas ;-) In the Dutch language group we had a little discussion on this subject before. And your proposal fits quite well. (Or better: the other way round). With a little change in our (lack of) structure, we can work with it and will

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread Clayton
Hristo Hristov wrote: On 17.7.2008, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote: To keep things consistent, I would suggest that everyone use capital letters for the ISO language code. I know it would be more familiar in lower case, but that seems to be not possible within the structure of the Wiki engine.

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread Clayton
So that is http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NL/ for the pages of the Dutch language group. The fact that this table http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:Interwiki lists nl in lower case, is irrelevant? Correct. I can enter the table data as NL or nl, and the result seems

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread Hristo Hristov
On 17.7.2008, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote: > To keep things consistent, I would suggest that everyone use capital > letters for the ISO language code. I know it would be more familiar in > lower case, but that seems to be not possible within the structure of > the Wiki engine. Strange! I moved

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread Cor Nouws
ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote (17-7-2008 9:04) Hristo Hristov wrote: I saw that Bg is different that BG. So, which to use? All capital -> BG or just the first leter -> Bg? This is one of the things that has not yet been agreed upon. I had hoped to spark a discussion about this and other

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Clayton, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote (15-7-2008 14:09) Currently, the OpenOffice.org Wiki is quite chaotic. Each L10N group, whether translating existing pages, or authoring new, is using different [...] This is just an idea... what does everyone else think? Is this moving in the righ

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:48:29 -0500, Frank Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:18:40 -0500, sophie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Clayton, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote: Currently, the OpenOffice.org Wiki is quite chaotic. Each L10N group, wh

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread Clytie Siddall
Thanks for opening this discussion, Clayton. :) On 15/07/2008, at 9:39 PM, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote: Well, the URL for a Wiki page would be in English instead of in the localized language. There is a way to handle that... you can use the {{DISPLAYTITLE:Your_localized_title}} syntax

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread Frank Peters
Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:18:40 -0500, sophie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Clayton, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote: Currently, the OpenOffice.org Wiki is quite chaotic. Each L10N group, whether translating existing pages, or authoring new, is using different styles,

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread ccornell - OpenOffice.org
I also wonder how important is the subfolders when for example we use Categories which works more like a metatag. Subfolders help us a lot with just simple organization... particularly in the documentation. When you have a small topic with only a few Wiki pages, subfolders don't add a lot (i

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:18:40 -0500, sophie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Clayton, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote: Currently, the OpenOffice.org Wiki is quite chaotic. Each L10N group, whether translating existing pages, or authoring new, is using different styles, naming conventions, link

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread sophie
Hi Clayton, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote: Currently, the OpenOffice.org Wiki is quite chaotic. Each L10N group, whether translating existing pages, or authoring new, is using different styles, naming conventions, linking and so on. The result is a real confused mess of random pages, and n

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-17 Thread ccornell - OpenOffice.org
Hristo Hristov wrote: Hi, I saw that Bg is different that BG. So, which to use? All capital -> BG or just the first leter -> Bg? This is one of the things that has not yet been agreed upon. I had hoped to spark a discussion about this and other things surrounding L10N on the OOoWiki with my

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-16 Thread Hristo Hristov
Hi, I saw that Bg is different that BG. So, which to use? All capital -> BG or just the first leter -> Bg? -- Hristo Simeonov Hristov Leader of OpenOffice.org - Bulgarian GnuPG key 0xD0D895EB: 0282 D8D0 90D3 963F E57E B0A7 2670 88D9 D0D8 95EB signature.asc Description: This is a digitally sig

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-16 Thread Clayton
Note for any others reading this... if you need a language added that is not in the InterWiki table (at the bottom of this page http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:Interwiki ) just ask here on the mailing list and it will be added. C. Can you please add mongolian (mn) to this table.

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-16 Thread Badral Sanligiin
Am Mittwoch, den 16.07.2008, 08:17 +0200 schrieb Clayton: > Note for any others reading this... if you need a language added that is > not in the InterWiki table (at the bottom of this page > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:Interwiki ) > just ask here on the mailing list and it wi

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-15 Thread Clayton
Hristo Hristov wrote: Hi, how my language (Bulgarian) will appear in the 'In other languages' list? I created a page http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Bg/Extensions in which I copied the English text which will be translated later, but in the languages list on the left, it is not listed.

Re: [l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-15 Thread Hristo Hristov
Hi, how my language (Bulgarian) will appear in the 'In other languages' list? I created a page http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Bg/Extensions in which I copied the English text which will be translated later, but in the languages list on the left, it is not listed. Also I get that Bg is d

[l10n-dev] How do we handle L10N in the OOoWiki?

2008-07-15 Thread ccornell - OpenOffice.org
Currently, the OpenOffice.org Wiki is quite chaotic. Each L10N group, whether translating existing pages, or authoring new, is using different styles, naming conventions, linking and so on. The result is a real confused mess of random pages, and no one really knows from one page to the next i