Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-21 Thread Pat Ferrel
Some very good points IMO, but there is no mention of actually making Mahout run on something specific. Are we really going for a shell that engine companies can use to put on top of their engine but doesn’t actually run on anything until the engine guys do some work? Clearly not true. We seem t

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-21 Thread Ted Dunning
Very good description of benefits. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 5:26 AM, Gokhan Capan wrote: > I want to express my opinions for the vision, too. I tried to capture those > words from various discussions in the dev-list, and hope that most, of them > support the common sense of excitement the new Ma

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-21 Thread Sebastian Schelter
Big +1, very nicely captures what I also think --sebastian Am 21.05.2014 14:27 schrieb "Gokhan Capan" : > I want to express my opinions for the vision, too. I tried to capture those > words from various discussions in the dev-list, and hope that most, of them > support the common sense of excitem

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-21 Thread Gokhan Capan
I want to express my opinions for the vision, too. I tried to capture those words from various discussions in the dev-list, and hope that most, of them support the common sense of excitement the new Mahout arouses To me, the fundamental benefit of the shift that Mahout is undergoing is a better se

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-20 Thread Dmitriy Lyubimov
inline On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Sebastian Schelter wrote: > >> > Let's take the next from our homepage as starting point. What should we > add/remove/modify? > > > > The Mahout community decided to move its c

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-20 Thread Pat Ferrel
First is there anything we can’t agree on with that statement? I see nothing to disagree with personally, though I see no need to talk about potential outside contributions here, but I’ll let that slide. If this is for the outside world then it needs to clearly answer: 1) If I want to run the _l

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-20 Thread Sebastian Schelter
On 05/18/2014 09:28 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Sebastian Schelter wrote: I suggest we start with a specific draft that someone prepares (maybe Ted as he started the thread) This is a good strategy, and I am happy to start the discussion, but I wonder if it migh

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-18 Thread Ted Dunning
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Sebastian Schelter wrote: > I suggest we start with a specific draft that someone prepares (maybe Ted > as he started the thread) This is a good strategy, and I am happy to start the discussion, but I wonder if it might help build consensus if somebody else sta

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-18 Thread Ted Dunning
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Pat Ferrel wrote: > I think Ted’s intent was to find a simple consensus statement that > addresses where the project is going in a general way. Indeed. And I would emphasize the word consensus. I am trying to build a bit of consensus here. I really

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-18 Thread Sebastian Schelter
Not sure why you address this to me. I agree with most of your statements. I think Ted’s intent was to find a simple consensus statement that addresses where the project is going in a general way. I look at it as something to communicate to the outside world. Why? We are rejecting new mapreduce

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-18 Thread Pat Ferrel
Not sure why you address this to me. I agree with most of your statements. I think Ted’s intent was to find a simple consensus statement that addresses where the project is going in a general way. I look at it as something to communicate to the outside world. Why? We are rejecting new mapreduce

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-16 Thread Dmitriy Lyubimov
rel wrote: > This doesn’t seem to be a vision statement. I was +1 to a simple consensus > statement. > > The vision is up to you. > > We have an interactive shell that scales to huge datasets without > resorting to massive subsampling. One that allows you to deal with the >

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-16 Thread Ted Dunning
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Pat Ferrel wrote: > Seems like the vision comes from feature champions. I may not use Mahout > in the same way you do but I rely on your code. Maybe I serve a different > user type than you. I don’t see a problem with that, do you? > Sounds good to me.

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-15 Thread Pat Ferrel
This doesn’t seem to be a vision statement. I was +1 to a simple consensus statement. The vision is up to you. We have an interactive shell that scales to huge datasets without resorting to massive subsampling. One that allows you to deal with the exact data your black box algos work on

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-15 Thread Cliff Click
h the obvious open-source addition that outside contributions are encouraged. From: ted.dunn...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:23:18 +0200 Subject: consensus statement? To: dev@mahout.apache.org I have been involved in side conversations to try to build a bit of unity among our community a

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-06 Thread Andrew Musselman
> On May 6, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > I have been involved in side conversations to try to build a bit of unity > among our community and would like to propose this as a statement of what > we are doing: > > > Apache Mahout is moving immediately to a faster execution model. The

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-06 Thread Dmitriy Lyubimov
Pat et. al, The whole problem with original suggested consensus statement is that it reads as "we are building MLLib for Spark (oh wait, there's already such a thing)" and then "we are building MLLib for 0xdata" and then perhaps for something else. Which can't be fa

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-06 Thread Sebastian Schelter
To be honest, I don't understand the issue here. Let's look at what's happening to the codebase: in the 3 months since our last release in February, we had 59 changes [1]. >> Outside contributions are always encouraged. Out of the 59 changes, 28 came from 18 distinct external contributors, th

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-06 Thread Pat Ferrel
+1 I personally won’t spend a lot of time generalizing right now. Contributors can help with that if they want or make suggestions. On May 6, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: I have been involved in side conversations to try to build a bit of unity among our community and would like to pro

RE: consensus statement?

2014-05-06 Thread Saikat Kanjilal
tside contributions are encouraged. > From: ted.dunn...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:23:18 +0200 > Subject: consensus statement? > To: dev@mahout.apache.org > > I have been involved in side conversations to try to build a bit of unity > among our community and would

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-06 Thread Shannon Quinn
+1 iPhone'd > On May 6, 2014, at 12:23, Ted Dunning wrote: > > I have been involved in side conversations to try to build a bit of unity > among our community and would like to propose this as a statement of what > we are doing: > > > Apache Mahout is moving immediately to a faster execution

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-06 Thread Dmitriy Lyubimov
minor additions. On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Dmitriy Lyubimov wrote: > I guess it would just be more constructive to just formulate an > alternative here. > > (1) Mahout is moving away from Java/Hadoop MapReduce programming models as > means of algorithm creation, both for performance and s

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-06 Thread Dmitriy Lyubimov
I guess it would just be more constructive to just formulate an alternative here. (1) Mahout is moving away from Java/Hadoop MapReduce programming models as means of algorithm creation, both for performance and semantical reasons. (2) Mahout is moving towards creating a clearer semantical alterna

Re: consensus statement?

2014-05-06 Thread Dmitriy Lyubimov
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > I have been involved in side conversations to try to build a bit of unity > among our community and would like to propose this as a statement of what > we are doing: > > > This is secondary, tactical goal. The purpose of what i did has always b

consensus statement?

2014-05-06 Thread Ted Dunning
I have been involved in side conversations to try to build a bit of unity among our community and would like to propose this as a statement of what we are doing: Apache Mahout is moving immediately to a faster execution model. The first of these is Spark. Outside contributions are always encourag