Re: [VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ?

2008-08-13 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
We don't have everybody replies but here is the current result. In favor to have ITs launched by default in the build : Olivier, Vincent S, In favor to have ITs launched on demand in the build : Brian, Brett, Wendy, Barrie, Jason (told me on IRC), myself Any others opinions ? With our new

Re: [VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ?

2008-08-13 Thread Vincent Siveton
Hi Arnaud, 2008/8/13 Arnaud HERITIER [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We don't have everybody replies but here is the current result. In favor to have ITs launched by default in the build : Olivier, Vincent S, In favor to have ITs launched on demand in the build : Brian, Brett, Wendy, Barrie, Jason

Re: [VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ?

2008-08-13 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Vincent Siveton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Arnaud, 2008/8/13 Arnaud HERITIER [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We don't have everybody replies but here is the current result. In favor to have ITs launched by default in the build : Olivier, Vincent S, In favor

Re: [VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ?

2008-08-09 Thread Barrie Treloar
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Arnaud HERITIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you want to have ITs activated by default in the plugin build ? No. Why ? The default build should be fast, otherwise people are going to skip

Re: [VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ?

2008-08-08 Thread Vincent Siveton
2008/8/7 Arnaud HERITIER [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, You noticed that we changed in plugins the behavior of ITs. We would like to have your advice : Do you want to have ITs activated by default in the plugin build ? I think we need to separate your question between core and plugins: *

Re: [VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ?

2008-08-08 Thread Brett Porter
On 08/08/2008, at 9:55 PM, Vincent Siveton wrote: 2008/8/7 Arnaud HERITIER [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, You noticed that we changed in plugins the behavior of ITs. We would like to have your advice : Do you want to have ITs activated by default in the plugin build ? I think we need to

Re: [VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ?

2008-08-08 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
I think the slowness will turn people towards continually wanting to skip them rather than run them. It's an interesting question of what impression it gives to the contributors - impressed by the testing, or annoyed by the speed of the build? Often contributors who try to work on the

RE: [VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ?

2008-08-08 Thread Brian E. Fox
I think the typical development pattern is where you code and unit test and code and unit test, you maybe write an integration test or two and run them on their own, and then before you commit you run all the integration tests. The last part is just discipline, and as long as we have CI

Re: [VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ?

2008-08-08 Thread Wendy Smoak
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Arnaud HERITIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you want to have ITs activated by default in the plugin build ? No. Why ? The default build should be fast, otherwise people are going to skip the tests entirely. Integration tests don't need to be run on every

[VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ?

2008-08-07 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
Hi all, You noticed that we changed in plugins the behavior of ITs. We would like to have your advice : Do you want to have ITs activated by default in the plugin build ? Why ? -- .. Arnaud HERITIER

RE: [VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ?

2008-08-07 Thread Brian E. Fox
Message- From: Arnaud HERITIER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 5:15 PM To: Maven Developers List Subject: [VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ? Hi all, You noticed that we changed in plugins the behavior of ITs. We would like to have your advice

Re: [VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ?

2008-08-07 Thread Olivier Lamy
2008/8/7 Arnaud HERITIER [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, You noticed that we changed in plugins the behavior of ITs. We would like to have your advice : Do you want to have ITs activated by default in the plugin build ? +1 : yes they should be activated by default. Why ?

Re: [VOTE] ITs launched by default in plugins builds ?

2008-08-07 Thread Brett Porter
First preference: disabled by default, but easily enabled. Second preference: enabled by default, but with a separate property to disable (so you can run UTs and skip ITs). The purist in me wants to enable by default in the integration-test phase, and just run up to test or package. But