Ticket created, see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20493

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:35 PM Michael Wall <mjw...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Ok, thanks Sheng.  I will get a ticket created.
>
> Looks like there are releases hosted on dist.mxnet.io and
> repo.mxnet.io as well?  Are we looking for INFRA to host those as
> well?
>
> I see discuss.mxnet.io is now being archived to
> discuss-arch...@mxnet.apache.org.  Is there a similar plan in the
> works for discuss.gluon.ai?
>
> Makes sense on the brand management review, I will hold off until we
> hear from INFRA.
>
> Mike
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:31 PM Sheng Zha <szha....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > Thank you for offering to help. Yes, that’s the correct understanding.
> >
> > For brand management, we still haven’t started the review yet. On the other 
> > hand, if the hosting is on Apache infra and PPMC manages the site, then the 
> > site will no longer be owned by a third party.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sheng
> >
> > > On Jul 5, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Michael Wall <mjw...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Did a ticket ever get opened for this?  I can open one, but want to
> > > verify my understanding:
> > >
> > > "We want to explore the possibility of hosting discuss.mxnet.io and
> > > discuss.gluon.ai on Apache infrastructure and hook into Apache user
> > > management."
> > >
> > > Shane also asked if we started a conversation with Brand management.
> > > How can I help there?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:03 AM Marco de Abreu <marco.g.ab...@gmail.com> 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think we can start by opening a ticket with infra referring to this
> > >> thread.
> > >>
> > >> -Marco
> > >>
> > >> Sheng Zha <szha....@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 18. Juni 2020, 09:45:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Shane,
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for the comment. With my apache hat on, I definitely agree that 
> > >>> it
> > >>> would be better to have such forum on Apache managed infra. I’ve started
> > >>> with discussion archive to ensure that everything is recorded, and I 
> > >>> think
> > >>> I can quickly try to make the backups of that forum accessible to the 
> > >>> PPMC
> > >>> and Apache infra.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think the best way to achieve the goal of continuity, eventually, 
> > >>> would
> > >>> be to host it on Apache infrastructure and have its hosting funded by 
> > >>> ASF.
> > >>> How do we go about requesting this?
> > >>>
> > >>> As for the trademark review, we started working on reviewing the binary
> > >>> distribution usage and are currently focusing on the more pressing issue
> > >>> there. We will get to the domain name usage afterwards.
> > >>>
> > >>> -sz
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 6:07 AM, Shane Curcuru <a...@shanecurcuru.org> 
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 2020/06/12 22:39:10, Marco de Abreu <marco.g.ab...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote: ...
> > >>>>> The mxnet.io domain is not under control of the ASF. If we say that a
> > >>> user
> > >>>>> facing platform is managed and endorsed by the PPMC, we should make it
> > >>>>> available under the ASF domain system to further represent the 
> > >>>>> official
> > >>>>> affiliation. Also, it removes a weak link in the chain - e.g. the case
> > >>> when
> > >>>>> the mxnet.io domain ran out and broke quite a bit of stuff. Since the
> > >>> ASF
> > >>>>> offers subdomains for projects, I don't see any reason why not to use
> > >>> them.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This is the core issue for me, from the larger Apache perspective.
> > >>>> Domain names using Apache marks - especially when they have interactive
> > >>>> traffic about the Apache project itself - work best when the domain 
> > >>>> name
> > >>>> itself is owned by the ASF.  That ensures continuity for the future, in
> > >>>> the case where a party (which includes individual PMC members) stops
> > >>>> contributing to the project.  When the ASF Infra team has direct admin
> > >>>> access to a service or domain, we know that the ASF will be able to
> > >>>> manage it for the future.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Also, has the PPMC worked with Apache Brand Management on use of
> > >>>> trademarks in domain names?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> https://apache.org/foundation/marks/domains
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - Shane
> > >>>> Director & Member
> > >>>> The Apache Software Foundation
> > >>>

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