+1 for what Grant said.
Voting is what we do to approve a release, or, if we must, what we do
to resolve a dispute.
IMHO, this thread (like many MyFaces threads) has been a great example
of the ASF way. Everyone voiced their opinion, the group reached a
decision, and then someone actually did
Sean,
just a formal question: by which way did you get the power to end this
discussion and to decide what has to happen? And in case there are
divergent opinions on any topic in the future will it always be you who
has the power to decide?
You propose to follow the formal and informal practices
If I may interject before this gets too ugly...
Oliver, the ASF does not require a formal vote on a matter such as this.
The discussion in this thread clearly shows more people in favor of
removing jars from svn. This thread is in itself an informal vote. You
voiced your objections, and those
Sean Schofield wrote:
Oliver,
Everyone seemed to agree this was a good idea except for you. For the
record I simply stated that I think we should consider the matter
closed. I did not say The matter is closed. So that was an
opinion/suggestion, not an ultimatum.
We could take a vote if you
[snip]
This thread is in itself an informal vote.
Agreed.
If removing the jars from svn causes undue problems in the future we can
always revert
back to including them.
Exactly.
Lets get back to the business of improving Myfaces :-)
+1
Grant
sean
+1 from me, too.
-MattOn 6/29/05, Sean Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip] This thread is in itself an informal vote.Agreed. If removing the jars from svn causes undue problems in the future we can always revert back to including them.Exactly.
Lets get back to the business of improving
Oliver,
If I sound irritated, I am. I don't really feel like being lectured
by you about how to be a team player and how the ASF works. If you
had something more to say, then just say it. There's no need to
attack me for wanting to bring the matter to conclusion when we have
99% consensus.
Yes for the examples (include the dependencies). It is an end-user product, a full web app.
>From a library-user (i.e. developer) standpoint: don't include the external jars in the binary distro.
1) It is a lot of bandwidth for stuff I have already.
2) It is a lot, in a project as wide as
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James Mitchell wrote
On 6/26/05, Bruno Aranda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And, returning to the developer POV, you might want the sources for two
things:
1. Take a glance to the code to see how something is implemented.
2. Develop and/or build from sources.
IMO, for both cases is easier to download the jars
On 25 Jun 2005, at 20:43, Craig McClanahan wrote:
For the record, I am absolutely and totally -1 on including JAR files
in the source code repository of any Apache project that I work on.
Including them in a binary distribution, of course, is a totally
different animal.
Craig
Even then.
On 6/27/05, ir. ing. Jan Dockx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 25 Jun 2005, at 20:43, Craig McClanahan wrote:
For the record, I am absolutely and totally -1 on including JAR files
in the source code repository of any Apache project that I work on.
Including them in a binary distribution,
And we're working on just such a list of the dependencies. That is
one benefit of moving the jars out of SVN. I took the approach that
the Struts build uses. The build script clearly lists the depencies
and the version numbers required.
Of course we could have that without removing the jars
I've been thinking about the JAR files in the source distribution. To
me it makes no sense to include them in the source distro. (I don't
believe we have done that up to this point either so this would not be
a change for MyFaces.)
If someone wants to build from the source distro they can
I do agree with all your points. The source distro should not include
the jars. IMO, that distro is a snapshot of the sources as we can find
them using SVN. No more, no less.
I should include the dependencies in both the binary distro and in the examples.
Either of the three possibilities allow to
On 6/26/05, Sean Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig,
What are your thoughts on including them in a binary distribution?
What is Struts doing these days?
Including the dependent jars in a binary distribution (assuming
license compatibility) is definitely a reasonable thing to do. That
One potential caveat here is that you'll have a set of the JARs in the
WEB-INF directory of every such example ... that can be solved by
providing a post-install script that can assemble runnable WARs for
the examples from a single included copy of each jar.
Interesting idea.
No, that one
Craig McClanahan wrote:
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James Mitchell wrote
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Oliver Rossmueller wrote:
Martin Cooper wrote:
I would strongly recommend that you not store your dependencies in the
SVN repo. Consider the consequences if every ASF project did the same
thing. There would be many dozens of copies of the exact same
libraries taking up
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Martin Cooper wrote:
I would strongly recommend that you not store your dependencies in the
SVN
Martin Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Oliver Rossmueller wrote:
Martin Cooper wrote:
I would strongly recommend that you not store your dependencies in the
SVN repo. Consider the consequences if every ASF project did the same
thing. There would be many dozens of copies of the exact
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005, Oliver Rossmueller wrote:
Martin Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Oliver Rossmueller wrote:
Martin Cooper wrote:
I would strongly recommend that you not store your dependencies in the
SVN repo. Consider the consequences if every ASF project did the same
thing.
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Unless I missed it somewhere, no one has mentioned the extra
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Oliver,
Have you examined the Struts build process as I have suggested? It is
pretty simple. What is so complicated about typing 'ant
download-dependencies release' instead of 'ant release'?
Keep in mind that the 'download-dependencies' target need only be
called once. Actually, it need never
Hi Sean,
I wish I'd checked and seen your response before sending... I started
my email last night and finished this morning without checking the
mail box...
On Jun 23, 2005, at 6:09 AM, Sean Schofield wrote:
Keep in mind that the 'download-dependencies' target need only be
called once.
On 23 Jun 2005, at 14:14, Bill Dudney wrote:
I like simple, so I'm inclined to vote with Oliver.
I really like the new structure BTW, thanks again Sean for all the work you have put into making this happen!
I've grabbed the new layout and started to make it work in Eclipse and here is what
I strongly agree with Martin and Sean.
Eliminating binary dependencies from versioned source control is a Good Thing.
Kind Regards,
John Fallows.
On 6/23/05, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would strongly recommend that you not store your dependencies in the SVN
repo. Consider the
1) Digester has removed the RSS classes from their standard build, so
we either have to do a custom build of Digester or we have to have
version 1.5 (which is what was in the lib dir)
This is a known problem.
(http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-134) I accidentally
introduced the
On 6/23/05, Sean Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right. I remember this was an issue with commons-chain. No
refactoring of Struts to use commons-chain could start until that was
released. Makes sense to me.
It would seem reasonable to be allowed get a jump start on uptaking
new,
yes, looks good
+1 for automatic download of jars
-Manfred
2005/6/21, Sean Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
First off, thanks to James Mitchell (of the Struts team) who has been
teaching me the wonders of svn:externals. I hope my SVN reorg will
make him proud. :-)
While James and I were
Cool! This will make the project lighter and easier to maintain. I've
seen that there is a timestamp check so you will donwload the jar only
if necessary. I think this is an good proposal,
Regards,
Bruno
2005/6/21, Sean Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
First off, thanks to James Mitchell (of the
Looks great...
regards,
Martin
On 6/21/05, Bruno Aranda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cool! This will make the project lighter and easier to maintain. I've
seen that there is a timestamp check so you will donwload the jar only
if necessary. I think this is an good proposal,
Regards,
Bruno
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