Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-23 Thread Scott O'Bryan
Well we can, but I think we have some legacy solutions out there that are not easily changed. Does anyone besides Trinidad and (from what I'm hearing) Tobago have JSF1.2 specific branches? Scott Gerhard Petracek wrote: hello, what's about an uniform layout for all myfaces-projects?

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-22 Thread Gerhard Petracek
hello, what's about an uniform layout for all myfaces-projects? (currently it's also a blocking topic for me to setup myfaces-extensions-validator.) regards, gerhard 2008/6/20 Scott O'Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mike, the problem with this approach is one of forward compatibility. Let me

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-20 Thread Volker Weber
Hi, 2008/6/20 Scott O'Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [...] The old code line gets bug fixes and nothing more and the active development is always on the latest and greatest. Why can't we do something similar? The active development is done where needed, which in my case is jsf1.1. Regards,

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-20 Thread simon
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 09:06 +0200, Volker Weber wrote: Hi, 2008/6/20 Scott O'Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [...] The old code line gets bug fixes and nothing more and the active development is always on the latest and greatest. Why can't we do something similar? The active development

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-20 Thread Mario Ivankovits
simon schrieb: In other words, keeping one line of code makes sense (less maintenance) even if we lose some JSF1.2/JSF2.0-specific features or performance boosts. While I second the rest of your mail, I wont do so with the sentence above. We are developers, and, at least in your younger years

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-20 Thread Andrew Robinson
JSR 252 (JSF 1.2) was finalized on 2006-05-11 Java 1.5 released 2004-09-30 I don't mind people maintaining JSF 1.1, but I do think that there is very good cause to have 1.1 moved to branches and the latest JSF specification as the trunk for each project. Over 2 years is plenty of time to adopt

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-20 Thread Simon Lessard
Hi all, I have to agree with Andrew here. One year ago, JEE5 server were still scarce or underused, thus supporting the maintained two branches argument, but now is no longer the case and splitting efforts between two code bases doesn't sound most efficient. Regards ~ Simon On Fri, Jun 20,

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-20 Thread Paul Spencer
I am one who is using JSF 1.1 for some applications. This is because the applications are running software/hardware environments which do not support JSF 1.2. For applications in environment that will support JSF 1.2, I use JSF 1.2. Future JSF version are inevitable, thus a solution must

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-20 Thread Scott O'Bryan
Paul, why do the CF versions have to be different. This is no different (IMO) then what I was talking about except that we could not FORCE people to backport everything. I don't see why libraries for older JSF's HAVE to be functionally equivalent. That is not to say that API's started in

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-20 Thread Scott O'Bryan
Partially ignore this.. :) Let me clairify now that I understand your proposal.. I think projects need to be in charge of their own destiny based off of need/usage.. :) Indeed Trinidad has a 1.0.8 branch and a 1.2.8 branch which is (mostly) functionally equivalent. But I wouldn't say that

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-20 Thread Mike Kienenberger
Let's not forget that working on open source software is quite different than working on proprietary software. For open source, you work on what you need and you share what you've done with others. Some people need JSF 1.1 and will be working there. Some people need JSF 1.2 and will be working

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-20 Thread Paul Spencer
Scott O'Bryan wrote: Partially ignore this.. :) Let me clairify now that I understand your proposal.. I think projects need to be in charge of their own destiny based off of need/usage.. :) Indeed Trinidad has a 1.0.8 branch and a 1.2.8 branch which is (mostly) functionally equivalent.

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-20 Thread Scott O'Bryan
Yeah, I would accept that... At least until there is basically NO active development happening on a branch. Maybe when the corresponding JSF branch goes End of Cycle? Paul Spencer wrote: Scott O'Bryan wrote: Partially ignore this.. :) Let me clairify now that I understand your proposal..

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-20 Thread Scott O'Bryan
Mike, the problem with this approach is one of forward compatibility. Let me explain. The ExternalContextUtils in the MyFaces commons, when it existed in Trinidad, had api's for handling request input streams and whatnot because the ExternalContext did not. If someone used that API and then

[VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-19 Thread Leonardo Uribe
Hi After several discussions about how myfaces-commons should be, there are strong reasons to believe that this project should have some layout that allow myfaces 1.1 projects to use it. There was a vote about had 1.1 stuff on a different branch and the trunk be 1.2. This vote should be

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-19 Thread Leonardo Uribe
+1 On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Leonardo Uribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi After several discussions about how myfaces-commons should be, there are strong reasons to believe that this project should have some layout that allow myfaces 1.1 projects to use it. There was a vote about

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-19 Thread Scott O'Bryan
I still think this is a bad idea. My question is this, now that JSF 2.0 is getting ready to come out, when is Tomahawk going to finally open a JSF 1.2 or JSF 2.0 branch? Further, Matthias has a commons 1.1 branch out there already in branches. It's mainly for backports. Can we not do this

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-19 Thread Scott O'Bryan
-1 Leonardo Uribe wrote: +1 On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Leonardo Uribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi After several discussions about how myfaces-commons should be, there are strong reasons to believe that this project should have some layout

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-19 Thread Leonardo Uribe
Hi Now I understand the philosophy behind the jsf 1.1 branch of myfaces commons. The confusing thing is that on tomahawk core and core12 live together on the same trunk (this does not happen on other projects) and myfaces-commons has never been released. So this vote is useless, after this.

Re: [VOTE] layout for myfaces-commons project

2008-06-19 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
I was about to give -1 too On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Leonardo Uribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Now I understand the philosophy behind the jsf 1.1 branch of myfaces commons. The confusing thing is that on tomahawk core and core12 live together on the same trunk (this does not happen