On Mon, 28 May 2018 21:40:29 -0400
Tim Boudreau wrote:
> > Considering William L. Thomson Jr. single-handledly did the Gentoo
> > build system for NetBeans using portage it doesn't seem like an
> > impossible task.
I have been doing Gentoo ebuilds for over a decade. I can crank some
stuff out
+1 Best congratulations to everybody - Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 RC1 is
alive now !
Cheers
Kai
On 5/29/2018 1:08 PM, Josh Juneau wrote:
+1 and congrats!! Many thanks to all of those involved...the community
appreciates it!
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:15 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiel
+1 and congrats!! Many thanks to all of those involved...the community
appreciates it!
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:15 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Congratulations, especially to Emilian for managing the release and Antonio
> for doing the related website upda
Wait, wait, wait, let's be honest: I just did a simple webpage!
Merit is due to Emilian for assembling the release (this is way more
complicated), and to all those making 9.0 RC1 possible [1]. Those are my
heroes of the RC1 release.
Thanks all, I'll try to allocate more time in the future to
Congratulations, especially to Emilian for managing the release and Antonio
for doing the related website updates.
Gj
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 6:24 AM, Antonio wrote:
> http://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb90/nb90-rc1.html
>
> Congratulations everybody!
>
> On 28/05/18 22:35, Emilian Bold wrote
http://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb90/nb90-rc1.html
Congratulations everybody!
On 28/05/18 22:35, Emilian Bold wrote:
ANNOUNCE email sent:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1eb3e248e4f4f980ee21d4d3d103ed7ce17020e62489ba4be89e0a9a@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
Let's update the websi
> Considering William L. Thomson Jr. single-handledly did the Gentoo build
> system for NetBeans using portage it doesn't seem like an impossible task.
Most modules will be pretty simple - it's those that, say bundle runtimes
and things like that whose builds are non-trivial. That may be less of
Please wait for the ANNOUNCE email first.
All the votes links are tracked here
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+RC1
The downloads should be
https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-rc1/
--emi
‐
ANNOUNCE email sent:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1eb3e248e4f4f980ee21d4d3d103ed7ce17020e62489ba4be89e0a9a@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
Let's update the website.
--emi
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On 28 May 2018 11:22 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> Please wait for the ANNOUNCE e
Hi Emilian,
If you send me some links to votes and downloads I think we can update
the website after the announcement:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pull/45
Un abrazo,
Antonio
On 28/05/18 20:14, Emilian Bold wrote:
Thanks to all who voted!
The release has PASSED wit
Thanks to all who voted!
The release has PASSED with the following IPMC votes:
+1 Ate Douma (binding)
+1 Bertrand Delacretaz (binding)
+1 Mark Struberg (binding)
+0 Justin Mclean (binding)
Also, 3 community members voted +1 on the IPMC thread.
10 members of the Apache NetBeans PPMC and Apache
> When discussing[1] the build systems, have we also considered the Apache
> view point - e.g. running Apache on Apache? From this perspective Ant and
> Maven are +10...
Coding in Apache Groovy using an Apache Subversion repository and an Apache Ant
build system :-)
> [1] I assume this thread is
2018-05-25 16:58 GMT+02:00 Neil C Smith :
> On Fri, 25 May 2018 at 02:02 Tim Boudreau wrote:
>
> > IMO, Gradle is a step backward for build systems - scriptability leads to
> > fragile systems, and ones that are impossible for tools to reason about.
> >
> > https://timboudreau.com/blog/maven/read
On Sat, 26 May 2018 10:58:16 -0400
"William L. Thomson Jr." wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> On Sat, 26 May 2018 02:44:37 -0400
> Tim Boudreau wrote:
> >
> > - you'd like it, I'd like it and the rest of the world would scream
> > "why do I have to install the bones of another operating system
> > under my
Hi Tim,
On Sat, 26 May 2018 02:44:37 -0400
Tim Boudreau wrote:
> > Guess you missed that my Netbeans ebuilds wrap nothing... They call
> > javac directly. NO ant, maven, gradle etc. It CAN wrap other build
> > systems, or it can BE the build system :)
> >
>
> Great. Got a link to this work?
On Fri, 25 May 2018 15:21:09 -0700
Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
> Just asking, would Snap packaged NetBeans work on Gentoo as well?
Probably not if it is in binary format. Gentoo is a from source
distribution. It is frowned upon to ship binaries made by any third
party including upstreams. Its a purit
Hi, William,
> > but I don't know that it's really relevant to building
> > NetBeans. It is nice, and does the kind of parallelization you're
> > after, but it's more like a meta-build system - a build system for
> > running other build systems. FWIW, NetBSd/SmartOS's pkgsrc is also
> > similar,
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:44 PM, Ate Douma wrote:
>
>
> On 2018-05-23 20:57, Emilian Bold wrote:
>
>> Ate, could we get a vote on this release?
>>
>
> Sure :-)
>
>
>> If you look at https://cwiki.apache.org/confl
>> uence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+RC1 we are already making
>> progress
Just asking, would Snap packaged NetBeans work on Gentoo as well?
On 05/25/2018 03:19 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2018 14:12:46 -0400
Emilian Bold wrote:
What I like is deterministic builds, which neither Ant nor Maven
(both Apache projects) seem to hurry to add.
Based
On Fri, 25 May 2018 14:12:46 -0400
Emilian Bold wrote:
> What I like is deterministic builds, which neither Ant nor Maven
> (both Apache projects) seem to hurry to add.
>
> Based on deterministic builds you can have any kind of simple or
> fancy build infrastructure to help you out.
That is kind
What I like is deterministic builds, which neither Ant nor Maven (both Apache
projects) seem to hurry to add.
Based on deterministic builds you can have any kind of simple or fancy build
infrastructure to help you out.
I would like to have the server do some builds in background while I edit my
On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:34:08 +0100
Peter Steele wrote:
>
> Had a quick look at Bazel from Google, sounds like an interesting
> concept. Multi language build system. This seems to match the
> ethos of netbeans quite well (being multi language).
Problem with Bazel and Buck, is they both have pyth
+1 Gradle
-1 Maven
Gradle is far superior to maven especially in multi project projects. It
still uses ant for certain tasks such as jar signing but the groovy
scripting allows you to powerfully control how the build works. I will
admit it's a bit of mind set change but once you are over the learn
On Fri, 25 May 2018 15:58:34 +0100
Neil C Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2018 at 02:02 Tim Boudreau wrote:
>
> > IMO, Gradle is a step backward for build systems - scriptability
> > leads to fragile systems, and ones that are impossible for tools to
> > reason about.
> >
> > https://timboudreau.
On Fri, 25 May 2018 at 02:02 Tim Boudreau wrote:
> IMO, Gradle is a step backward for build systems - scriptability leads to
> fragile systems, and ones that are impossible for tools to reason about.
>
> https://timboudreau.com/blog/maven/read
>
>
Nice article! I know you link it in a comment, b
On Thu, 24 May 2018 21:02:31 -0400
Tim Boudreau wrote:
> I could tell you whatever you want to know about Gentoo's build
> system,
Really? I have completely redesign how Java is handled... I would doubt
there are more familiar with it than me, at least regarding Java on
Gentoo. Though my work i
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:44 PM, Ate Douma wrote:
>
>
> On 2018-05-23 20:57, Emilian Bold wrote:
>
>> Ate, could we get a vote on this release?
>>
>
> Sure :-)
>
>
>> If you look at https://cwiki.apache.org/confl
>> uence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+RC1 we are already making
>> progress
I could tell you whatever you want to know about Gentoo's build system, but
I don't know that it's really relevant to building NetBeans. It is nice,
and does the kind of parallelization you're after, but it's more like a
meta-build system - a build system for running other build systems. FWIW,
Net
Hi all!
What is the aim of this thread? Are we searching a new build platform
for NetBeans itself or just talking about build systems in general?
On 05/24/2018 03:32 PM, Christian Bourque wrote:
+1 for Gradle too!
It is as flexible as Ant and can use Maven dependencies behind the scene so
I
+1 for Gradle too!
It is as flexible as Ant and can use Maven dependencies behind the scene so
I guess it would be a natural choice for NetBeans!
On the performance side, many improvements have been made like the build
cache and the Gradle daemon...
C.
On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:04 PM, William L
On Thu, 24 May 2018 13:19:14 -0400
Emilian Bold wrote:
> There are two build systems I want to learn more and use. Google's
> https://bazel.build and Facebook's https://buckbuild.com
Both interesting, but I think in ways Gradle maybe better than both.
Discussing using either bazel or buck for sa
On Thu, 24 May 2018 13:19:14 -0400
Emilian Bold wrote:
> There are two build systems I want to learn more and use. Google's
> https://bazel.build and Facebook's https://buckbuild.com
>
> Both are heavily parallel and should support deterministic builds
> which makes remote build agents and cache
There are two build systems I want to learn more and use. Google's
https://bazel.build and Facebook's https://buckbuild.com
Both are heavily parallel and should support deterministic builds which makes
remote build agents and cache sharing a breeze.
I have a pretty fast machine, but 15minutes f
Sorry typo
On Thu, 24 May 2018 13:12:11 -0400
"William L. Thomson Jr." wrote:
> I also have a script that makes all system jars libraries in Netbeans
> for development. Including Netbeans own jars :)
> https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/gen2nblib
>
>
> P.S.
> Eventually I will move to a di
On Tue, 22 May 2018 09:32:10 -0400
Emilian Bold wrote:
> Yes, once https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-417 is done
> we might have another release.
>
> (Sadly) Apache releases source code, so binaries are just a
> "convenience".
>
> Of course, our users don't want to build source cod
On Tue, 22 May 2018 09:29:29 -0400
Emilian Bold wrote:
> > I take it there will be an official rc1 after the rc1-rc1 for
> > voting?
>
> No, this is *the* RC1. But if it doesn't pass voting there is still
> no 'public' RC1 and we can't just make a public RC2 without a public
> RC1.
Ok just tr
On 2018-05-23 14:51, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
The vote for rc1-rc1 is in the IPMC thread now.
Ate gave his +1. Other mentors, please vote there too.
I didn't yet give my +1 before, but did so just now.
Ate
Gj
On Wednesday, May 23, 2018, Emilian Bold wrote:
Which are those jira ticket
On 2018-05-23 20:57, Emilian Bold wrote:
Ate, could we get a vote on this release?
Sure :-)
If you look at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+RC1 we
are already making progress on the (non-blocking) issues reported.
Yes, thanks for creating the fol
Ate, could we get a vote on this release?
If you look at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+RC1 we
are already making progress on the (non-blocking) issues reported.
--emi
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On 21 May 2018 3:54 PM, Ate Douma wrote:
> I'm i
The vote for rc1-rc1 is in the IPMC thread now.
Ate gave his +1. Other mentors, please vote there too.
Gj
On Wednesday, May 23, 2018, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > Which are those jira tickets, do you have an URL for them?
>
> PS: They are all tracked on the page for RC1: https://cwiki.apache.org/
>
> Which are those jira tickets, do you have an URL for them?
PS: They are all tracked on the page for RC1:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+RC1
NETBEANS-823 - Ant JARs license/notice OPEN
NETBEANS-824 - bindex-2.2.jar license/notice OPEN
NETBEANS-825 - c
> Von: Emilian Bold
>
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2018 13:36
>
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1
>
> > As for now, I'm still confused...is this VOTE still ongoing, and is
Rc1-rc1 really? oO
Von: Emilian Bold
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2018 13:36
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1
> As for now, I'm still confused...is this VOTE still ongoing, and is it
>
> about the arti
> As for now, I'm still confused...is this VOTE still ongoing, and is it
>
> about the artifacts found at
>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-rc1-rc1/
Yes.
Ate mentioned some remaining comments from 9.0-Beta-RC3. We are now votin
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 1:12 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:
> ...Yes, Emi suggested elsewhere we might use a specific vote suffix instead -
> eg. rc1-vote1 which might be a good idea, if we need one at all?!..
Each VOTE thread must be about one specific set of artifacts, clearly
identified.
If NetBeans
On Wed, 23 May 2018 at 11:50 Christian Lenz wrote:
> I was confused, in the early days of the beta Phase too. I only know
> Alpha, beta and RC but not Beta RC. This was really confusing and as we can
> see, it is still confusing for some users. I don’t know what Beta RC1 – RC3
> meant but anyway,
: Bertrand Delacretaz
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2018 12:05
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1
(dropping general@incubator.a.o - votes happen on the NetBeans dev
list before moving there)
On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:57 PM, Emilian
The reference to RC3 is of the Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta. We
are now working on the RC1 of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 RC1.
Gj
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote:
> (dropping general@incubator.a.o - votes happen on the NetBeans
(dropping general@incubator.a.o - votes happen on the NetBeans dev
list before moving there)
On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:57 PM, Emilian Bold
wrote:
>> b) Justin provided detailed feedback on the 9.0-Beta-RC3 on (possible)
> I have created 26 NETBEANS JIRA issues with Justin's remarks and we'l
> b) Justin provided detailed feedback on the 9.0-Beta-RC3 on (possible)
> needed improvements/fixes for the binary dist LICENSE/NOTICE file [2],
> thereafter recorded as a todo action list on the wiki [3] (end of page).
> Some of those points have been addressed (marked DONE), but many/most
> are
Regards
>
> Eric
>
> -Message d'origine-
>
> De : Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch
>
> Envoyé : jeudi 17 mai 2018 16:35
>
> À : dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>
> Objet : [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1
>
>
> I take it there will be an official rc1 after the rc1-rc1 for voting?
No, this is *the* RC1. But if it doesn't pass voting there is still no 'public'
RC1 and we can't just make a public RC2 without a public RC1.
So, internally it's RC1-vote1 (aka RC1-rc1), RC1-vote2 (aka RC1-rc2) until we
get
: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Objet : [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1
Hi all,
Please vote on releasing Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1!
If this voting passes, another similar voting will be started on
gene...@incubator.apache.org, and if that passes too, then we can re
Fix Version(s) is used to indicate version in which the bug WAS and not
WILL BE fixed. Please leave the field empty until it's resolved.
Thanks,
-Jirka
Dne 22.5.2018 v 00:14 Leonardo Loch Zanivan napsal(a):
@Geertjan,
I'm fine with that, changing my vote to +1.
Can you set Fix Version to 9.0
On Thu, 17 May 2018 10:35:25 -0400
Emilian Bold wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Please vote on releasing Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1!
I take it there will be an official rc1 after the rc1-rc1 for voting?
I think I may wait for -rc1 vs rc1-rc1. Since its some 300+ packages :)
Unless it can he
@Geertjan,
I'm fine with that, changing my vote to +1.
Can you set Fix Version to 9.0 to make sure it will be done before final
release?
--
Leonardo Zanivan
On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 5:56 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Leonardo
[Resend incuding gene...@incubator.apache.org]
Hi Ate,
Am Montag, den 21.05.2018, 14:54 +0200 schrieb Ate Douma:
> a) nbbuild/licenses folder still has the GPL license file, which I
> thought/expected no longer should be needed with the fix from
> NETBEANS-305 [1]?
> Is there still a GPL usage l
Ah, you are right. I was thinking we don't need to explain where the binaries
are since 'ant tryme' does everything.
You are right we should explicitly ask for signature checks, etc.
I also agree that although our votes are not binding we should make a habit of
behaving as if. Makes graduating
On Mon, 21 May 2018, 14:12 Emilian Bold, wrote:
> Those steps seem sufficient.
>
Really?! Seems to miss out some important steps to me.
"Before casting +1 binding votes, individuals are REQUIRED to download all
signed source code packages onto their own hardware, verify that they meet
all requi
Hi Ate,
Am Montag, den 21.05.2018, 14:54 +0200 schrieb Ate Douma:
> a) nbbuild/licenses folder still has the GPL license file, which I
> thought/expected no longer should be needed with the fix from
> NETBEANS-305 [1]?
> Is there still a GPL usage left? If so this then could be a blocker
> IMO.
Those steps seem sufficient. The README even mentions 'ant tryme' so there is
no need to talk about looking into nbbuild/netbeans, etc. We could make that
paragraph even shorter.
The vote is over, we have a IPMC vote started now. But only the IPMC has
binding votes...
Interesting about the bin
I'm inclined to vote positive on this RC1, overall looks great!
- verified the MD5 and SHA1, and PGP signatures with the ASC files.
- executed rat check (ant rat) and verified the report.
- build and run the source (using JDK8), and all seems fine.
However I still have two questions:
a) nbbuild
On Thu, 17 May 2018 at 15:35 Emilian Bold
wrote:
> How (and what) to try out the release:
>
> 1. Download the artifact to be voted on and unzip it.
> 2. Build it using the README provided by the artifact.
> 3. Look in nbbuild/netbeans for the NetBeans installation created by the
> build process.
Congrats on the great work!
Josh Juneau
juneau...@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
> On May 20, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
> wrote:
>
> Excellent.
>
> Gj
>
> On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 11:30 PM, Emilian Bold
> wrote:
Excellent.
Gj
On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 11:30 PM, Emilian Bold
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> After being opened for more than 72 hours, the vote for releasing
> incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-rc1 [rc1] passed with 5 PPMC +1 votes, 5
> non-PPMC +1s (from others on the Apache NetBeans mailing list), no 0 and
Hi all,
After being opened for more than 72 hours, the vote for releasing
incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-rc1 [rc1] passed with 5 PPMC +1 votes, 5 non-PPMC
+1s (from others on the Apache NetBeans mailing list), no 0 and one PPMC -1
vote.
The -1 vote is for an issue that already has a PR with a fi
On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Leonardo Loch Zanivan <
leonardo.zani...@gmail.com> wrote:
> -1
>
> I've tested the RC1 binaries and found a blocker issue when I tried to open
> a few Java modular (JPMS) projects.
>
Jan Lahoda has a PR for this now:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
+1 (Binding)
Some comments:
- MD5 & SHA1 checksums match.
- We may want to include in our email a link to the ASC file [1], so
people can validate the source zip against the provided KEYS file. I
performed the PGP validation and it succeeds.
- I had to delete my $HOME/.netbeans/dev and $HOM
On 05/17/2018 09:35 AM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> Please vote on releasing Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1!
+1 (non-binding)
Built from source and sanity-tested.
--
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
+1
On 2018/05/17 14:35:25, Emilian Bold wrote:
> Hi all,>
>
> Please vote on releasing Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1!>
>
> If this voting passes, another similar voting will be started on gene
r...@incubator.apache.org, and if that passes too, then we can release
this version.>
>
+1 (non binding)
I have installed and tested this release on MacOS JDK 10.0.1
--
Carl J. Mosca
Noted.
Remember that a release vote has no vetos:
http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#release-approval
> For a release vote to pass, a minimum of three positive votes and more
> positive than negative votes MUST be cast. Releases may not be vetoed. Votes
> cast by PMC members are b
+1 but we also need to update user and cache directories from dev to rc1.
-Jirka
Dne 18.5.2018 v 13:29 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
Downloaded, unzipped, and ran the convenience binary.
Everything works, installed nb-javac, tried out some of the new 'var' hint
refactorings.
Only thing I've s
+1 to releasing ... testing successfully with multiple Maven Web
Application projects, deploying to Payara server.
Environmental Details:
*Product Version:* Apache NetBeans IDE Dev (Build
incubator-netbeans-release-302-on-20180517)
*Java:* 1.8.0_162; Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM 25.162-b12
-1
I've tested the RC1 binaries and found a blocker issue when I tried to open
a few Java modular (JPMS) projects.
Created a new JIRA ticket and provided a sample to reproduce:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-817
Info:
Product Version = Apache NetBeans IDE Dev (Build
incubator-ne
+1
Product Version: Apache NetBeans IDE Dev (Build 20180518-unknown-revn)
Java: 1.8.0_171; Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM 25.171-b11
Runtime: Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment 1.8.0_171-b11
System: Linux version 4.15.0-20-generic running on amd64; UTF-8;
All the best,
Junichi
On Thu, May 17, 201
Hi,
I have tested 9.0 rc1 with my a bunch of Java Maven projects, and minimally
tested 'var' support with JKD10.
+1 (non binding)
I have filed this "annoying" issue which happens sporadically while working
on a simple java file.
I do not have a strict reproducer.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/br
Downloaded, unzipped, and ran the convenience binary.
Everything works, installed nb-javac, tried out some of the new 'var' hint
refactorings.
Only thing I've seen we need to do is change the splash screen but that
shouldn't block the rc1 release AFAIK.
As with the other releases we've done so f
Hi all,
Please vote on releasing Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1!
If this voting passes, another similar voting will be started on
gene...@incubator.apache.org, and if that passes too, then we can release this
version.
Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) constitutes all the modules i
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