Re: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities?

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 31.05.2012 02:58, schrieb Paul Norman: From: Ákos Maróy [mailto:a...@maroy.hu] Subject: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities? Hi, I wonder what is the best way to determine city boundaries based on the OSM dataset. What I want to do is simply to have each city colored in light

Re: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities?

2012-05-31 Thread Ákos Maróy
On 31/05/12 08:18, Peter Wendorff wrote: I think, that's legally correct, but probably not, what is needed here. Even if legally every location is legally assigned to a city and legally part of it, it's not what a map should show in every case. A map that should show cities may be targeted on

Re: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities?

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Ákos. I fear, we don't have that distinction, as it's not that clearly separatable: Am 31.05.2012 09:15, schrieb Ákos Maróy: for example when you drive on the road, you encounter a city limit sign at the end of the city, and then afterwards you can drive with different speed limits. In

Re: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities?

2012-05-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/30 Ákos Maróy a...@maroy.hu: I wonder what is the best way to determine city boundaries based on the OSM dataset. What I want to do is simply to have each city colored in light yellow (uniformly), with a black outline at the edge of each city. I'm not concerned about the streets inside

Re: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities?

2012-05-31 Thread Stephan Plepelits
Hi! I don't think we have something like that, as - see above - the big question here remains: what is an urban area and what is a rural one? I think there is no such thing in OSM yet (and I doubt there ever will be). But to help think about it, here's a definition of the national Austrian

Re: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities?

2012-05-31 Thread Ákos Maróy
Peter, In Germany the speed limit is the case by default, but in the city there may be different limit signs even increasing that. One problem with this kind of boundary is, that it's only defined along streets, not on every small way and not in between. One proposal to tag this is [1],

Re: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities?

2012-05-31 Thread Ákos Maróy
Martin, It is not as easy as it sounds like. Actually we often do not have this information (directly) in OSM. What you could do is: * use the landuses and extend them slightly (to also get the streets, which are sometimes enclosed in the adjacent landuse but actually shouldn't). yes, this

Re: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities?

2012-05-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/31 Ákos Maróy a...@maroy.hu: One of the reasons is IMHO, that the main mapnik map uses external data for builtup areas (from natural earth), so people are less aware that there is something useful missing. I see. so basically what is not natural, is considered to be man-made? I was

Re: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities?

2012-05-31 Thread John Sturdy
Official city boundaries can be very different from the common-sense boundaries; for example, only about half the population of the built-up area of Limerick is within the official city boundary (most of the rest of it is in County Limerick, and some of it is in County Clare). And then of course

Re: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities?

2012-05-31 Thread Eric Marsden
sp == Stephan Plepelits sk...@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at writes: I don't think we have something like that, as - see above - the big question here remains: what is an urban area and what is a rural one? sp Statistics Austria provides maps with urban areas for Austria. Their sp

Re: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities?

2012-05-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/31 Eric Marsden eric.mars...@free.fr: sp == Stephan Plepelits sk...@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at writes:   I don't think we have something like that, as - see above - the big   question here remains: what is an urban area and what is a rural one?  sp Statistics Austria provides maps with

[OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities?

2012-05-30 Thread Ákos Maróy
Hi, I wonder what is the best way to determine city boundaries based on the OSM dataset. What I want to do is simply to have each city colored in light yellow (uniformly), with a black outline at the edge of each city. I'm not concerned about the streets inside the cities, etc. I looked at the

Re: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities?

2012-05-30 Thread Paul Norman
From: Ákos Maróy [mailto:a...@maroy.hu] Subject: [OSM-dev] determining the boundaries of cities? Hi, I wonder what is the best way to determine city boundaries based on the OSM dataset. What I want to do is simply to have each city colored in light yellow (uniformly), with a black