Re: another svn problem (diff across svn:external

2004-11-23 Thread Geoffrey Young
David Wheeler wrote: > On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:55 PM, Geoffrey Young wrote: > >> david and I started a one-way conversation with infrastructure@ about >> making >> commit emails better which went nowhere. if we can control our own >> mailer >> and messages I think I'd like to prove to everyone th

Re: another svn problem (diff across svn:external

2004-11-23 Thread David Wheeler
On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:55 PM, Geoffrey Young wrote: david and I started a one-way conversation with infrastructure@ about making commit emails better which went nowhere. if we can control our own mailer and messages I think I'd like to prove to everyone that we can come up with something better

Re: another svn problem (diff across svn:external

2004-11-23 Thread Joe Schaefer
Geoffrey Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > mod_perl is probably the project most closely tied to httpd outside of > apr, but they have 10 million times the userbase that we do - being > developmentally consistent with what is essentially our parent project > lowers the bar for both new mo

Re: another svn problem (diff across svn:external

2004-11-23 Thread Geoffrey Young
> I also find it interesting to see the different reactions in different > ASF projects I keep an eye on as they convert. APR and HTTPD, for > example, don't seem to have any real problems with the conversion, while > mod_perl seems to keep running into issues. I guess it's just different > proj

Re: please post a summary of infrastructure changes

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
Garrett Rooney wrote: Stas Bekman wrote: Garrett Rooney wrote: For what it's worth the APR seems to have settled on using [EMAIL PROTECTED] But we need to differentiate between docs and code commits since the two go to different lists. Otherwise it's a good idea. commits@ and commits-docs@ (o

Re: please post a summary of infrastructure changes

2004-11-23 Thread Garrett Rooney
Stas Bekman wrote: Garrett Rooney wrote: For what it's worth the APR seems to have settled on using [EMAIL PROTECTED] But we need to differentiate between docs and code commits since the two go to different lists. Otherwise it's a good idea. commits@ and commits-docs@ (or docs-commits@ I guess

Re: please post a summary of infrastructure changes

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
Garrett Rooney wrote: Stas Bekman wrote: There aren't only difs, so -changes make more sense. Assuming that we don't move to some kps or uqz version system any time soon, -svn will work too. May be it's the best to keep things unmodified. Changing the name will require archive engines to adjust

Re: please post a summary of infrastructure changes

2004-11-23 Thread Garrett Rooney
Stas Bekman wrote: There aren't only difs, so -changes make more sense. Assuming that we don't move to some kps or uqz version system any time soon, -svn will work too. May be it's the best to keep things unmodified. Changing the name will require archive engines to adjust and those are usually

Re: please post a summary of infrastructure changes

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
Philippe M. Chiasson wrote: [...] And if you are already changing the name of the list, why calling it -cvs? call it -svn, no? Yeah, or -changes to be backend agnostic. But that would mean even more infrastructure changes on the other end, so at this point, I am just trying to keep it simple. -

Re: please post a summary of infrastructure changes

2004-11-23 Thread Philippe M. Chiasson
Stas Bekman wrote: Philippe M. Chiasson wrote: Please post a summary of infrastructure changes. Yes, I was planning on posting just that as soon as everything is moved over and settled down. At this point we are still in a flux-like state where even though the code is moved over subversion, ther

Re: another svn problem (diff across svn:external

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
Garrett Rooney wrote: Stas Bekman wrote: While it's sort of OK for us developers to figure it out, quite often we ask users to get a fresh "cvs-r.i.p." checkout and we won't want to make them jumping through hoops, there is enough pain they have to endure. Well, you already need to run 'perl Ma

Re: another svn problem (diff across svn:external

2004-11-23 Thread Garrett Rooney
Stas Bekman wrote: While it's sort of OK for us developers to figure it out, quite often we ask users to get a fresh "cvs-r.i.p." checkout and we won't want to make them jumping through hoops, there is enough pain they have to endure. Well, you already need to run 'perl Makefile.PL' in order to b

Re: another svn problem (diff across svn:external

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
Garrett Rooney wrote: Stas Bekman wrote: svn diff seems plain broken for externals, other commands have no trouble seeing the modifications. :( It also doesn't interact well with tagging or branching (you have to go in and fix up the svn:externals properties on the branch/tag manually) or with

Re: another svn problem (diff across svn:external

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
Markus Wichitill wrote: Stas Bekman wrote: Markus Wichitill wrote: Stas Bekman wrote: I see yet another problem with svn. modperl-2.0 uses svn:externals: docs https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/perl/modperl/docs/trunk/src/docs/2.0 Apache-Test https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/test/trunk/perl-f

Re: another svn problem (diff across svn:external

2004-11-23 Thread Markus Wichitill
Stas Bekman wrote: Markus Wichitill wrote: Stas Bekman wrote: I see yet another problem with svn. modperl-2.0 uses svn:externals: docs https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/perl/modperl/docs/trunk/src/docs/2.0 Apache-Test https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/test/trunk/perl-framework/Apache-Test N

Re: another svn problem (diff across svn:external

2004-11-23 Thread Garrett Rooney
Stas Bekman wrote: svn diff seems plain broken for externals, other commands have no trouble seeing the modifications. :( It also doesn't interact well with tagging or branching (you have to go in and fix up the svn:externals properties on the branch/tag manually) or with accessing a repository

Re: another svn problem (diff across svn:external

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
Markus Wichitill wrote: Stas Bekman wrote: I see yet another problem with svn. modperl-2.0 uses svn:externals: docs https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/perl/modperl/docs/trunk/src/docs/2.0 Apache-Test https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/test/trunk/perl-framework/Apache-Test Now when I run 'svn

svn commit: r106337 - /perl/modperl/trunk/README-SVN

2004-11-23 Thread stas
Author: stas Date: Tue Nov 23 12:06:31 2004 New Revision: 106337 Modified: perl/modperl/trunk/README-SVN Log: remove dup Modified: perl/modperl/trunk/README-SVN Url: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/perl/modperl/trunk/README-SVN?view=diff&rev=106337&p1=perl/modperl/trunk/README-SVN&r1=106336&p2

Re: another svn problem (diff across svn:external

2004-11-23 Thread Markus Wichitill
Stas Bekman wrote: I see yet another problem with svn. modperl-2.0 uses svn:externals: docs https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/perl/modperl/docs/trunk/src/docs/2.0 Apache-Test https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/test/trunk/perl-framework/Apache-Test Now when I run 'svn diff' at the top level it

Re: svn commit: r106333 - /perl/modperl/trunk/README-SVN

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
Geoffrey Young wrote: +svn for cvs users: + + http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/svn-book.html#svn-ap-a + +for cvs-to-svn migration help, see: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/apa.html these two links are the same - the first is a link to appendix a from the "all in one" page, while the secon

Re: [Discuss] The various possible SVN layouts

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
Joe Schaefer wrote: Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joe Schaefer wrote: [...] IMO the question boils down to your expectations for using the /branch subdir. Branch management is a PITA in cvs, but it's transparent in svn. Do you expect development on modperl-1 codebase to need lots of br

Re: [Discuss] The various possible SVN layouts

2004-11-23 Thread Joe Schaefer
Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Joe Schaefer wrote: > [...] >> IMO the question boils down to your expectations for using >> the /branch subdir. Branch management is a PITA in cvs, but >> it's transparent in svn. Do you expect development >> on modperl-1 codebase to need lots of branch

Re: svn commit: r106322 - /perl/modperl/trunk/SVN-MOVE

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: stas Date: Tue Nov 23 09:56:10 2004 New Revision: 106322 Added: perl/modperl/trunk/SVN-MOVE Log: This file tracks the things that need to be done to accomplish the move of modperl projects to SVN feel free to add other issues... hopefully this file won't exist fo

Re: [cpan #8418] Apache::Test Makefile enters infinite loop when running without a connected terminal

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
Stas Bekman wrote: Philippe M. Chiasson wrote: Max Maischein via RT wrote: This message about Apache-Test was sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> via rt.cpan.org Full context and any attached attachments can be found at: https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=8418 > Hello, th

Re: [RELEASE CANDIDATE] mod_perl-1.99_17 RC1

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
Stas Bekman wrote: [...] With "sleep 1", I didn't get any failures running "perl t\TEST -times=100 t\protocol\echo_nonblock.t" and running the whole test suite three times. Great! If someone can commit that it'd be great. I still don't have a properly working svn environment. Thanks. (If noone

another svn problem (diff across svn:external

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
I see yet another problem with svn. modperl-2.0 uses svn:externals: docs https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/perl/modperl/docs/trunk/src/docs/2.0 Apache-Test https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/test/trunk/perl-framework/Apache-Test Now when I run 'svn diff' at the top level it won't show the dif

Re: Apache2 and Apache::Test

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
Joe Schaefer wrote: Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joe Schaefer wrote: Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: So A-T installs into INSTALLSITEARCH because that's where mp2 normally installed things to. So why did it now install things outside of arch? It looks like the top-level httpd-t

automatically cleaning svn droppings?

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
So not only svn pollutes the checkout with its own files (which I hope to get rid of once I get a hand of svk) it leaves tmp files all over? that's ridiculous. e.g. it failed to commit a file in src/docs/2.0/user/install/install.pod, so it has left: src/docs/2.0/user/install/svn-commit.tmp. Who

Re: Apache2 and Apache::Test

2004-11-23 Thread Joe Schaefer
Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Joe Schaefer wrote: >> Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>>So A-T installs into INSTALLSITEARCH because that's where mp2 normally >>>installed things to. So why did it now install things outside of arch? >> It looks like the top-level httpd-test/

Re: Apache2 and Apache::Test

2004-11-23 Thread Joe Schaefer
Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Joe Schaefer wrote: [...] >> Copying your changes to the top-level Makefile.PL seems to work >> for me. Here's a patch to httpd-test/perl-framework/Makefile.PL >> (be careful about the path when applying it, because subversion >> strips it out :-( ). >

Re: Apache2 and Apache::Test

2004-11-23 Thread Markus Wichitill
Stas Bekman wrote: Joe Schaefer wrote: Here's a patch to httpd-test/perl-framework/Makefile.PL (be careful about the path when applying it, because subversion strips it out :-( ). doh! how this can be fixed? Hm, what's wrong with the diff paths SVN produces? On my systems the path in the Index li

Re: Apache2 and Apache::Test

2004-11-23 Thread Stas Bekman
Joe Schaefer wrote: Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: So A-T installs into INSTALLSITEARCH because that's where mp2 normally installed things to. So why did it now install things outside of arch? It looks like the top-level httpd-test/perl-framework/Makefile wasn't picking up your redefinit