Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-18 Thread Cliff Jansen
> Why would a user chose to use this binding instead > of the WCF client - I guess thats the key question ? If I understand the previous posts in this thread, the answer is that people who are comfortable with WCF paradigms will use WCF, and people who like to think a little closer to AMQP on the

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-18 Thread Carl Trieloff
On 05/18/2010 10:49 AM, Marnie McCormack wrote: What client are you talking about here Carl ? C++ and Python have been done. Some list discussion has happened on Java. Ruby needs to be updated to Python style which missed 0.6, I believe that is not a big job. I understand that the update

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-18 Thread Carl Trieloff
On 05/18/2010 11:39 AM, Steve Huston wrote: Hi Jonathan, > I want one WCF client that works with both brokers and interops with > clients in all languages. I want only one. I want to avoid > the confusion > of having more than one, and I want to avoid putting effort into more > than on

RE: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-18 Thread Steve Huston
Hi Jonathan, > I want one WCF client that works with both brokers and interops with > clients in all languages. I want only one. I want to avoid > the confusion > of having more than one, and I want to avoid putting effort into more > than one > > I want the WCF client to use the new addressi

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-18 Thread Jonathan Robie
I want one WCF client that works with both brokers and interops with clients in all languages. I want only one. I want to avoid the confusion of having more than one, and I want to avoid putting effort into more than one I want the WCF client to use the new addressing scheme. Am I wanting the

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-18 Thread Marnie McCormack
There are a host of inflight JIRAs for the Broker 0-10 work - but its not a short list. Its top priority for me. Marnie On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote: > On 05/18/2010 10:37 AM, Marnie McCormack wrote: > >> I'll confess that I'm fairly uncomfortable with any other new .Net

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-18 Thread Marnie McCormack
What client are you talking about here Carl ? Marnie On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote: > On 05/18/2010 10:37 AM, Marnie McCormack wrote: > >> Another key point is that if we're going to produce 'bindings' we need to >> get much better at backwards compatibility on Qpid. We ha

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-18 Thread Carl Trieloff
On 05/18/2010 10:37 AM, Marnie McCormack wrote: Another key point is that if we're going to produce 'bindings' we need to get much better at backwards compatibility on Qpid. We have existing C++ clients stranded on an old Qpid build as a result of some of our previous decisions, along with C# use

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-18 Thread Carl Trieloff
On 05/18/2010 10:37 AM, Marnie McCormack wrote: I'll confess that I'm fairly uncomfortable with any other new .Net API, especially since the current situation is that we have no client which can interop across both brokers with all the other clients successfully (with the Java Broker 0-10 code no

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-18 Thread Marnie McCormack
I'll confess that I'm fairly uncomfortable with any other new .Net API, especially since the current situation is that we have no client which can interop across both brokers with all the other clients successfully (with the Java Broker 0-10 code not yet complete/prod ready). I'd rather been hoping

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-17 Thread Gordon Sim
On 05/17/2010 04:07 PM, Ted Ross wrote: The contribution simply allows .NET programs in C#, VB, Powershell, Excel, etc. to access the Qpid C++ messaging API. It is not in the same category as the qpid/wcf code which adds substantial value over and above basic messaging. The advantage of the thin

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-17 Thread Rajith Attapattu
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Ted Ross wrote: > I commented on the Jira but I'll jump in on this thread in case folks are > not reading the Jira comments. > > The contribution in question is a thin .Net binding for the new C++ > messaging API.  This is why it was placed in the qpid/cpp/binding

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-17 Thread Ted Ross
I commented on the Jira but I'll jump in on this thread in case folks are not reading the Jira comments. The contribution in question is a thin .Net binding for the new C++ messaging API. This is why it was placed in the qpid/cpp/bindings area and not in the qpid/{dotnet,wcf} areas or in its

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-17 Thread Gordon Sim
On 05/14/2010 11:37 PM, Chuck Rolke wrote: I must apologize for my part in sticking this code into the code base before a proper discussion. Chuck, you didn't stick the code into the codebase, you attached a patch demonstrating an interesting (and in my view valuable) approach to a Jira. I t

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-14 Thread Chuck Rolke
v@qpid.apache.org > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 4:38:33 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [.net]: some debate please > > I don't have a strong view on the 'correct' approach since I'm not > familiar > with the .Net components. > > However, I a

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-14 Thread Marnie McCormack
I don't have a strong view on the 'correct' approach since I'm not familiar with the .Net components. However, I agree wholeheartedly with Rafi's comments about dropping this in without a discussion beforehand (and apologies if I missed one?). If I was an existing .Net contributer I'd be pretty ha

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-13 Thread Carl Trieloff
On 05/11/2010 05:59 PM, Steve Huston wrote: > The current WCF uses the 0-10 API, I would suggest moving the > WCF client to the updated C++ API. I believe this has been > agreed to be done at some point before on the list which > would then be consistent with this work Ok, as long as s

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-12 Thread Gordon Sim
On 05/12/2010 12:50 PM, Rafael Schloming wrote: Even if there isn't interest in using this API directly, I think there is huge benefit to having all the clients share a common architecture as much as possible. Since the purpose of the messaging API is really to expose all the features of AMQP whi

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-12 Thread Rafael Schloming
Gordon Sim wrote: On 05/12/2010 11:21 AM, Cliff Jansen wrote: Perhaps it would be useful for somebody to assist this debate by introducing the messaging API in the .NET context and addressing why, for example, .NET programmers need this API, but Java programmers don't. Or why a developer who mi

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-12 Thread Gordon Sim
On 05/12/2010 11:21 AM, Cliff Jansen wrote: Perhaps it would be useful for somebody to assist this debate by introducing the messaging API in the .NET context and addressing why, for example, .NET programmers need this API, but Java programmers don't. Or why a developer who might be inclined to

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-12 Thread Rafael Schloming
Cliff Jansen wrote: Perhaps it would be useful for somebody to assist this debate by introducing the messaging API in the .NET context and addressing why, for example, .NET programmers need this API, but Java programmers don't. Or why a developer who might be inclined to use WCF should use this

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-12 Thread Rafael Schloming
Gordon Sim wrote: On 05/10/2010 09:33 PM, tr...@apache.org wrote: Author: tross Date: Mon May 10 20:33:19 2010 New Revision: 942892 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=942892&view=rev Log: QPID-2589 - Applied patch from Chuck Rolke. This commit adds a new component and yet another approach

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-12 Thread Cliff Jansen
Perhaps it would be useful for somebody to assist this debate by introducing the messaging API in the .NET context and addressing why, for example, .NET programmers need this API, but Java programmers don't. Or why a developer who might be inclined to use WCF should use this messaging API instead.

RE: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-11 Thread Steve Huston
Hi Carl, > -Original Message- > From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctriel...@redhat.com] > > On 05/11/2010 04:28 PM, Steve Huston wrote: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Gordon Sim [mailto:g...@redhat.com] > >> > >> On 05/10/2010 09:33 PM, tr...@apache.org wrote: > >> > >>> Aut

RE: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-11 Thread Steve Huston
> -Original Message- > From: Rajith Attapattu [mailto:rajit...@gmail.com] > > While I will leave it to the experts to comment about the > current approach, may I suggest that we make a prominent > notice in our download page that we have deprecated the 0-8 > and 0-10 .NET clients. Goo

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-11 Thread Carl Trieloff
On 05/11/2010 05:22 PM, Martin Ritchie wrote: -- Martin Sent from my iPhone On 11 May 2010, at 21:36, Rajith Attapattu wrote: While I will leave it to the experts to comment about the current approach, may I suggest that we make a prominent notice in our download page that we have deprecat

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-11 Thread Martin Ritchie
-- Martin Sent from my iPhone On 11 May 2010, at 21:36, Rajith Attapattu wrote: While I will leave it to the experts to comment about the current approach, may I suggest that we make a prominent notice in our download page that we have deprecated the 0-8 and 0-10 .NET clients. I know tha

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-11 Thread Rajith Attapattu
While I will leave it to the experts to comment about the current approach, may I suggest that we make a prominent notice in our download page that we have deprecated the 0-8 and 0-10 .NET clients. I know that several individuals have put in some very good effort in the thankless task of propping u

Re: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-11 Thread Carl Trieloff
On 05/11/2010 04:28 PM, Steve Huston wrote: -Original Message- From: Gordon Sim [mailto:g...@redhat.com] On 05/10/2010 09:33 PM, tr...@apache.org wrote: Author: tross Date: Mon May 10 20:33:19 2010 New Revision: 942892 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=942892&view=rev Log: QP

RE: [.net]: some debate please

2010-05-11 Thread Steve Huston
> -Original Message- > From: Gordon Sim [mailto:g...@redhat.com] > > On 05/10/2010 09:33 PM, tr...@apache.org wrote: > > Author: tross > > Date: Mon May 10 20:33:19 2010 > > New Revision: 942892 > > > > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=942892&view=rev > > Log: > > QPID-2589 - Applied

[.net]: some debate please

2010-05-11 Thread Gordon Sim
On 05/10/2010 09:33 PM, tr...@apache.org wrote: Author: tross Date: Mon May 10 20:33:19 2010 New Revision: 942892 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=942892&view=rev Log: QPID-2589 - Applied patch from Chuck Rolke. This commit adds a new component and yet another approach for .net, specific