I'd be interested to see the logs to see if anyone is selecting a build that
differs from their identified user-agent.
If it is a problem, it would be easy enough to bundle a small executable
that initiates the correct download. Or is that silly.
Stephen
On Sunday, August 14, 2011, Stephen
Stephen De Gabrielle wrote at 08/15/2011 02:28 PM:
I'd be interested to see the logs to see if anyone is selecting a
build that differs from their identified user-agent.
OMG, we might be able to settle this with *Science*!
I missed that, and it looks like a group of high-powered CS PhDs might
I've done some emphasizing of the download, and de-emphasized the
platform selection: http://racket-lang.org/download/
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Thanks for this.
I really like the rounded-edge Download buttons that most software
systems now have. It seems odd to not have one for DrRacket. (I
brought this up some years ago when these weren't quite so prevalent;
now they're ubiquitous.)
The grey of the Platform line makes it look like
About a minute ago, Shriram Krishnamurthi wrote:
Thanks for this.
I really like the rounded-edge Download buttons that most software
systems now have. It seems odd to not have one for DrRacket. (I
brought this up some years ago when these weren't quite so
prevalent; now they're
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Eli Barzilay e...@barzilay.org wrote:
About a minute ago, Shriram Krishnamurthi wrote:
Thanks for this.
I really like the rounded-edge Download buttons that most software
systems now have. It seems odd to not have one for DrRacket. (I
brought this up some
On firefox.com I was surprised to see that what I had always assumed
was an image was actually just CSS magic. Why not just copy it?
What I did for that is to change the color when focus moves in.
Yes, but the grey means I'm unlikely to move my cursor over it in the
first place. Why grey it
10 minutes ago, Shriram Krishnamurthi wrote:
What I did for that is to change the color when focus moves in.
Yes, but the grey means I'm unlikely to move my cursor over it in
the first place. Why grey it out at all?
Because this whole thread started with someone who was confused by the
On Aug 13, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote:
10 minutes ago, Shriram Krishnamurthi wrote:
Yes, but the grey means I'm unlikely to move my cursor over it in
the first place. Why grey it out at all?
Because this whole thread started with someone who was confused by the
existence of this
Four minutes ago, Stephen Bloch wrote:
On Aug 13, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote:
10 minutes ago, Shriram Krishnamurthi wrote:
Yes, but the grey means I'm unlikely to move my cursor over it in
the first place. Why grey it out at all?
Because this whole thread started with
On Aug 13, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote:
Because this whole thread started with someone who was confused
by the
existence of this selection.
No, I think it was someone who was confused by the absence of an
easy, almost-certainly-correct default.
They [...] were presented 5
6 minutes ago, Stephen Bloch wrote:
On Aug 13, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote:
Because this whole thread started with someone who was confused
by the
existence of this selection.
No, I think it was someone who was confused by the absence of an
easy,
I'd like to renew the suggestion that Guillaume works out a concrete
plan and we take it from there.
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Yes, please.
Robby
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Matthew Flatt mfl...@cs.utah.edu wrote:
I'd like to renew the suggestion that Guillaume works out a concrete
plan and we take it from there.
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On Aug 13, 2011, at 8:52 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote:
They [...] were presented 5 different options for downloading
DrRacket for Mac.
Yes, but was one of them clearly distinguished from the rest, to
indicate this is probably what you want?
Yes, by being the first -- which is the same as things
Yesterday, Eli Barzilay wrote:
On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:33 PM, Guillaume Marceau gmarc...@gmail.com wrote:
Does the combo box auto detect the downloader's platform for the
User-Agent header.
Yes, in some cases when it's possible to make a guess.
The main problem here is that it is *just* a
Yesterday, Matthias Felleisen wrote:
I am happy to see that we are looking for solutions to a problem.
I think we should use everything we can to make the best possible
guess. Then we should use English language to inform people that we
made a best possible guess and that there are
Yesterday, Guillaume Marceau wrote:
Or we can trust that the Mozilla Foundation's user interface
designers has already done the experiment. They have some of the
best people of the industry working for them, including Aza Raskin,
son of Jef Raskin, one of the original designer of the
Eli, I must say I appreciate some of your concerns but some
I don't comprehend.
(1) My hunch is that most of our downloaders -- especially
technically unsavy (what's the right word here?) people --
download one and only one thing from us.
(2) We need to accommodate them mostly, not the
(1) My hunch is that most of our downloaders -- especially
technically unsavy (what's the right word here?) people --
download one and only one thing from us.
And I suspect this is precisely why FF makes Windows the default (as
Guillaume has shown us). Everyone who's not on Windows is acutely
About a minute ago, Matthias Felleisen wrote:
Eli, I must say I appreciate some of your concerns but some
I don't comprehend.
(1) My hunch is that most of our downloaders -- especially
technically unsavy (what's the right word here?) people --
download one and only one thing from us.
Three minutes ago, Shriram Krishnamurthi wrote:
(1) My hunch is that most of our downloaders -- especially
technically unsavy (what's the right word here?) people --
download one and only one thing from us.
And I suspect this is precisely why FF makes Windows the default (as
Guillaume
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Shriram Krishnamurthi s...@cs.brown.edu
wrote:
(1) My hunch is that most of our downloaders -- especially
technically unsavy (what's the right word here?) people --
download one and only one thing from us.
And I suspect this is precisely why FF makes Windows
Sounds like it is time for Guillaume to explore a prototype, if he's
still interested in that, then.
Robby
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Eli Barzilay e...@barzilay.org wrote:
About a minute ago, Matthias Felleisen wrote:
Eli, I must say I appreciate some of your concerns but some
I don't
10 minutes ago, Robby Findler wrote:
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Shriram Krishnamurthi s...@cs.brown.edu
wrote:
(1) My hunch is that most of our downloaders -- especially
technically unsavy (what's the right word here?) people --
download one and only one thing from us.
And I
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Shriram Krishnamurthi s...@cs.brown.edu
wrote:
And I suspect this is precisely why FF makes Windows the default (as
Guillaume has shown us). Everyone who's not on Windows is acutely
conscious of the fact that they are not, and knows what to do about
it.
FF
I received a plea for help from a person who is attempting to learn
how to program for the first time. They found the DrRacket download
page and were presented 5 different options for downloading DrRacket
for Mac:
Macintosh OS X (Intel i386)
Macintosh OS X (PPC)
Macintosh OS X (Intel
On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:33 PM, Guillaume Marceau gmarc...@gmail.com wrote:
Does the combo box auto detect the
downloader's platform for the User-Agent header.
Yes, in some cases when it's possible to make a guess.
If so, then the next
step is to change the layout to:
Download:
Why would it damage more people?
I think it makes sense to put on the first page some kind of an
indication that this is what we guess your machine is; if you don't
know, try this one first. Perhaps not Guillaume's exact words, but
something that would help this person.
Robby
On Thu, Aug 11,
Maybe Eli is saying that 64bit is really the better default, given new
OS X defaults.
Jay
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Robby Findler
ro...@eecs.northwestern.edu wrote:
Why would it damage more people?
I think it makes sense to put on the first page some kind of an
indication that this is
I'm not completely clear on exactly how things are working with Lion,
but it seems unlikely that 64 bit is a good default at this stage.
Robby
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Jay McCarthy jay.mccar...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe Eli is saying that 64bit is really the better default, given new
OS X
His answer was inappropriate. Our goal must be to understand
problems posed, check relevance, figure out a solution. There
is no other default mode.
On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Jay McCarthy wrote:
Maybe Eli is saying that 64bit is really the better default, given new
OS X defaults.
Jay
look at the firefox download page for an example:
There is a nice huge pretty button that is the download for your current
platform.
Below the big button there is a small link that says All Systems
Languages http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html which links
to the matrix of all
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:25 AM, Eli Barzilay e...@barzilay.org wrote:
On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:33 PM, Guillaume Marceau gmarc...@gmail.com
wrote:
Does the combo box auto detect the
downloader's platform for the User-Agent header.
Yes, in some cases when it's possible to make a guess.
I found
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Guillaume Marceau gmarc...@gmail.com wrote:
In the ambiguous cases, you can get additional information by checking for
flash. Because Adobe doesn't support flash player on x64 browsers, if
detection is successful then it is definitely a 32 bit browser, if not,
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Robby Findler
ro...@eecs.northwestern.edu wrote:
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Guillaume Marceau gmarc...@gmail.com
wrote:
In the ambiguous cases, you can get additional information by checking for
flash. Because Adobe doesn't support flash player on
I think that maybe, given this particular choice, it makes more sense
to say, on the web page, We believe you are on a mac; the 32bit
version is the one you want, unless you're sure you want the 64bit
version, which is here. other versions there which a touch of good
design and better wording, I
I am happy to see that we are looking for solutions to a problem.
I think we should use everything we can to make the best possible guess. Then
we should use English language to inform people that we made a best possible
guess and that there are alternatives. But this language must be
Yes, my sentiments exactly.
Robby
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Matthias Felleisen
matth...@ccs.neu.edu wrote:
I am happy to see that we are looking for solutions to a problem.
I think we should use everything we can to make the best possible guess. Then
we should use English language
Guillaum, why don't you work out a concrete plan, especially the wording of the
messages to the downloader, and submit it to ELi for review. He will implement
a version of it. Thanks -- Matthias
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I'd be happy to comment on drafts too, if that's useful.
Robby
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Matthias Felleisen
matth...@ccs.neu.edu wrote:
Guillaum, why don't you work out a concrete plan, especially the wording of
the messages to the downloader, and submit it to ELi for review. He will
We also have an extensive audience on the users list and in our
individual departments. So it would be easy to circulate a draft Web
page (no fancy download or even formatting) that simply says, I'm
guessing you are using a ... -- is this correct? and get lots of
people to test (and get more
It's best to avoid working on anything concrete until I can write a
proper reply since there are more issues here. (Note: this is not an
objection to an improvement, but an attempt to avoid the kind of
damage I mnetioned earlier.
On 2011-08-11, Matthias Felleisen matth...@ccs.neu.edu wrote:
Or we can trust that the Mozilla Foundation's user interface designers has
already done the experiment. They have some of the best people of the
industry working for them, including Aza Raskin, son of Jef Raskin, one of
the original designer of the Macintosh. I see no reason to deviate from
their
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Guillaume Marceau gmarc...@gmail.com
wrote:
Or we can trust that the Mozilla Foundation's user interface designers has
already done the experiment. They have some of the best people of the
industry working for them, including Aza Raskin, son of Jef Raskin, one
Eli has asked us to wait. Please do so. He will reply in more detail
when he gets to a proper computer.
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Guillaume Marceau gmarc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Guillaume Marceau gmarc...@gmail.com
wrote:
Or we can trust that the Mozilla
On 11.08.11 09:25, Eli Barzilay wrote:
If so, then the next
step is to change the layout to:
Download: __Macintosh OS X (Intel i386)__
(this is the version of DrRacket for your system. In rare cases,
you might need a version for a __different system__)
This will damage many more
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