Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2008-05-05 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Kohei, *, Inspired by - guess what (*) - I pick up this thread again. Kohei Yoshida wrote (10-12-2007 23:12) On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 22:04 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: Also for me, a input box for dates would be a big mistake. The current system allows fast working. Fair enough. Scratch the in

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Eike Rathke wrote (18-12-2007 16:09) Hi Cor, On Tuesday, 2007-12-11 09:05:10 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: How about problems when entering by key board? If those are rare, maybe an option to turn of auto-date by importing/pasting is enough? There are enough complaints that when entering 1.2 in a

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-18 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Cor, On Tuesday, 2007-12-11 09:05:10 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > How about problems when entering by key board? > If those are rare, maybe an option to turn of auto-date by > importing/pasting is enough? There are enough complaints that when entering 1.2 in a locale where the dot is not the de

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-17 Thread Niklas Nebel
Leonard Mada wrote: Niklas Nebel wrote: every user can view and edit numbers and dates according to his configured locale. I consider that a good thing and don't want to change it. [Do you believe that users have always full access to set their locale in a business environment? And how many do

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-14 Thread Leonard Mada
Hi all, Issue 77973 further discusses the Date-issue (see http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=77973). That issue is still unconfirmed, but in the meantime I think it is really justified to confirm it. Therefore, someone with the appropriate rights should change the issue to "NEW

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-12 Thread Niklas Nebel
Leonard Mada wrote: Formatting dates based on the system locale is BAD, BAD, BAD in a *mutli user environment*, because you end with both MM/DD and DD/MM and a lot of confusion. Whatever step is taken, please consider that multi-user environments contain usually also multiple locales, en-US

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-11 Thread Leonard Mada
Hi all, I forgot to mention this in a previous e-mail: Formatting dates based on the system locale is BAD, BAD, BAD in a *mutli user environment*, because you end with both MM/DD and DD/MM and a lot of confusion. Whatever step is taken, please consider that multi-user environments contain

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-11 Thread Leonard Mada
Hi all, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi *, ... The current system allows fast working. With typing in dates, once you know how it works and /or set your cell formatting / styles correctly, it is OK. No, it is not OK. If you work in a multi-user, multi-locales environment, you will feel the heat burning

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-11 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Kohei, Kohei Yoshida wrote (10-12-2007 23:12) Fair enough. Scratch the input box idea then. That was just an idea anyway (a bad one). Never mind. It would be annoying if you only had good ideas ;-) With typing in dates, once you know how it works and /or set your cell formatting / styl

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-10 Thread Loiseleur Michel
Kohei Yoshida a écrit : > Hi Cor, > > On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 22:04 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > >> Also for me, a input box for dates would be a big mistake. The current >> system allows fast working. > > Fair enough. Scratch the input box idea then. That was just an idea > anyway (a bad one). >

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-10 Thread Kohei Yoshida
Hi Cor, On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 22:04 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > Also for me, a input box for dates would be a big mistake. The current > system allows fast working. Fair enough. Scratch the input box idea then. That was just an idea anyway (a bad one). > With typing in dates, once you know how

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-10 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi *, Kohei Yoshida wrote (10-12-2007 19:39) On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 13:21 -0500, Kohei Yoshida wrote: You just described how complex it is to parse a date input, and that's exactly my point. :-) And the point I was trying to make with my date input box idea was to give the user a way to bypass

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-10 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 13:21 -0500, Kohei Yoshida wrote: > You just described how complex it is to parse a date input, and that's > exactly my point. :-) And the point I was trying to make with my date > input box idea was to give the user a way to bypass that complex > parsing > process when it's

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-10 Thread Kohei Yoshida
Hi Eike, On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 13:44 +0100, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Kohei, > > On Friday, 2007-12-07 10:09:50 -0500, Kohei Yoshida wrote: > > > The rough idea I've just come up with is to do what web applications do: > > provide a date input box. This way Calc also knows that the user is > > ab

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-10 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Leonard, On Monday, 2007-12-10 00:19:55 +0200, Leonard Mada wrote: > Aloow the user to specify, what should be interpreted as a date (and how). > > E.g., IF the user specifies that dates are only strings of the form: > dd.mm.yy or dd.mm., then only such strings would be converted to dates

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-10 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Kohei, On Friday, 2007-12-07 10:09:50 -0500, Kohei Yoshida wrote: > The rough idea I've just come up with is to do what web applications do: > provide a date input box. This way Calc also knows that the user is > about to enter a date, and try not to even parse an input as a date if > the dat

Re: [sc-dev] Date input

2007-12-09 Thread Leonard Mada
Hi all, Kohei Yoshida wrote: ... * determining whether the input is a date without any other clues has been (almost) proven to be error-prone, can never reach an acceptable level, and leads to the wrath of users, largely due to localized date formats. So, what can we do? The rough idea I've j

[sc-dev] Date input (was: Re: [sc-dev] Pasting from HTML as unformatted text adds space to cells)

2007-12-07 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 20:13 +0200, Leonard Mada wrote: > my vote for turning the Auto-Date OFF! (rant) > I always hated this Auto-Date bullshit. So, Leonard is mad. ;-) That makes me sad. (they rhyme!) But the funny thing is, Calc's date input seems to always infuriate users. They are not