Re: [jira] Commented: (SLING-1137) Support hierarchical child node creation from SlingPostServlet

2009-10-07 Thread Ian Boston
On 7 Oct 2009, at 14:07, Mike Müller (JIRA) wrote: [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SLING-1137?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12763042 #action_12763042 ] Mike Müller commented on SLING-1137: --

Re: [jira] Commented: (SLING-1137) Support hierarchical child node creation from SlingPostServlet

2009-10-07 Thread Ian Boston
On 7 Oct 2009, at 14:50, Alexander Klimetschek (JIRA) wrote: I would refrain from building in an automatic mechanism that creates hash-based paths because they are bad ;-) Could you elaborate on why they are bad in the JCR ? (not taking about in URLS exposed to users here, only the JCR) Th

Re: [jira] Commented: (SLING-1137) Support hierarchical child node creation from SlingPostServlet

2009-10-07 Thread Alexander Klimetschek
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 16:48, Ian Boston wrote: > On 7 Oct 2009, at 14:50, Alexander Klimetschek (JIRA) wrote: >> I would refrain from building in an automatic mechanism that creates >> hash-based paths because they are bad ;-) > > Could you elaborate on why they are bad in the JCR ? > (not taking

Re: [jira] Commented: (SLING-1137) Support hierarchical child node creation from SlingPostServlet

2009-10-07 Thread Ian Boston
On 7 Oct 2009, at 16:38, Alexander Klimetschek wrote: On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 16:48, Ian Boston wrote: On 7 Oct 2009, at 14:50, Alexander Klimetschek (JIRA) wrote: I would refrain from building in an automatic mechanism that creates hash-based paths because they are bad ;-) Could you elabor

Re: [jira] Commented: (SLING-1137) Support hierarchical child node creation from SlingPostServlet

2009-10-07 Thread Alexander Klimetschek
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 18:10, Ian Boston wrote: > so if the abstraction and isolation is perfect and the hashed and ugly jcr > path never exposed to a developer or user above the layer of service or api, > then using them in the JCR itself is unfortunate but acceptable ? I'd say the "layer of ser

Re: [jira] Commented: (SLING-1137) Support hierarchical child node creation from SlingPostServlet

2009-10-07 Thread Ian Boston
On 7 Oct 2009, at 18:48, Alexander Klimetschek wrote: On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 18:10, Ian Boston wrote: so if the abstraction and isolation is perfect and the hashed and ugly jcr path never exposed to a developer or user above the layer of service or api, then using them in the JCR itself i

Re: [jira] Commented: (SLING-1137) Support hierarchical child node creation from SlingPostServlet

2009-10-07 Thread Alexander Klimetschek
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 20:34, Ian Boston wrote: > I agree, I would like to adopt sensible naming, but we keep on hitting > situations where even with the most reasonable domain prefix we end up with >> 2K items in a folder and then the update rates go through the floor, and > contention and un mer

Re: [jira] Commented: (SLING-1137) Support hierarchical child node creation from SlingPostServlet

2009-10-07 Thread John Norman
Non-developer warning: On 7 Oct 2009, at 22:47, Alexander Klimetschek wrote: [...] But even if Jackrabbit scales with hundred thousands of child nodes per node, you still have the problem of an unbalanced tree: it will be hard or not to say impossible to browse that tree for a human - you'd need

Re: [jira] Commented: (SLING-1137) Support hierarchical child node creation from SlingPostServlet

2009-10-08 Thread Ian Boston
On 7 Oct 2009, at 22:47, Alexander Klimetschek wrote: On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 20:34, Ian Boston wrote: I agree, I would like to adopt sensible naming, but we keep on hitting situations where even with the most reasonable domain prefix we end up with 2K items in a folder and then the update

Re: [jira] Commented: (SLING-1137) Support hierarchical child node creation from SlingPostServlet

2009-10-08 Thread Alexander Klimetschek
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 00:24, John Norman wrote: > Does it make any difference that different users might have a different > logical tree for organising the same content? I have seen quite a few > hierarchical information organisation models that make sense to one human > being but are completely

Re: [jira] Commented: (SLING-1137) Support hierarchical child node creation from SlingPostServlet

2009-10-08 Thread Alexander Klimetschek
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:11, Ian Boston wrote: > 1. The URL space is part of the UI and "owned" by the User, UX Designer, UI > developer. > 2. Imposing a convention on that URL space for the affordances of the back > end causes just the problem that you are concerned about. Now the UI > developer

Re: [jira] Commented: (SLING-1137) Support hierarchical child node creation from SlingPostServlet

2009-10-08 Thread Ian Boston
On 8 Oct 2009, at 09:24, Alexander Klimetschek wrote: IMHO the content structure is a critical part of the system (at least on the technical side), so I would involve a developer with knowledge and experience about the "underlying" repository and content modeling whenever a new URL space is cre

RE: [jira] Commented: (SLING-1137) Support hierarchical child node creation from SlingPostServlet

2009-10-08 Thread Mike Müller
> > IMHO the content structure is a critical part of the system > (at least > > on the technical side), so I would involve a developer with > knowledge > > and experience about the "underlying" repository and > content modeling > > whenever a new URL space is created by some application. Or > teach