Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 26 October 2016 at 02:05, wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:53:36PM +0200, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> To bring it to one sentence, Apple is about providing their stuff as >> incompatible as possible with all non-Apple stuff. […] proceeds with >> the keyboard layout, > >

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread alp
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:53:36PM +0200, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > To bring it to one sentence, Apple is about providing their stuff as > incompatible as possible with all non-Apple stuff. […] proceeds with > the keyboard layout, Unh, other than swapping Mod1 and Mod4, they've usually been the

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread hiro
i don't care about their sins. their keyboard and their software is unusable, the rest doesn't matter enough.

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread stephen Turner
while my mac experience is limited to only 1 year, i can say that sticking to mavericks (10.9.5) and el capitan (10.11.6) have been exceptionally stable. Some antivirus programs such as mcafee have been known to corrupt files on the mac as was our issue previously but have since switched to a

Re: [dev] [dwm] crash on xsetroot emoji character

2016-10-25 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2016-10-25 01:51:35 -1000] Gaetan Bisson: > [2016-10-25 12:55:53 +0200] Martin Kühne: > > IIRC there are fonts who claim ridiculously large glyph sizes in some > > circumstances, and yes that wasn't a dwm issue in and on itself. > > Geatan, what font configuration are you using? > > I'm using

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 25 October 2016 at 13:34, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > what are the really compelling reasons for a Mac user to make the > switch to Linux/BSD? How can we convince people to make the switch? The only reason for an experienced Mac user doing the switch is, because he wants to gain

Re: [dev] [dwm] crash on xsetroot emoji character

2016-10-25 Thread Gaetan Bisson
Hi Martin, [2016-10-25 12:55:53 +0200] Martin Kühne: > IIRC there are fonts who claim ridiculously large glyph sizes in some > circumstances, and yes that wasn't a dwm issue in and on itself. > Geatan, what font configuration are you using? I'm using DejaVu Sans Mono (the default "monospace" on

Re: [dev] [dwm] crash on xsetroot emoji character

2016-10-25 Thread Cág
Gaetan Bisson wrote: And dwm simply displays little squares in place of the emoji (other UTF8 characters seem to be displayed normally). Don't ask me why, I don't speak Unicode... I have a square instead of that nerd emoji even without the fix. Cág

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread Cág
Laslo Hunhold wrote: How can we convince people to make the switch? Should we? I became a Unix/Linux user because I got tired of BSODs. Let them experience such moments with their systems and if they won't then it's okay. After all, does it make sense how many people use what we use? My

Re: [dev] [dwm] crash on xsetroot emoji character

2016-10-25 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2016-10-25 00:09:42 -1000] Gaetan Bisson: > I'm running the latest git snapshot of dwm on Arch Linux. It crashes > (and the X server along with it) deterministically when I run: > > xsetroot -name $(printf '\xf0\x9f\xa4\x93') This can be "fixed" by changing the return statement in drw.c's

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread Laslo Hunhold
On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 12:53:36 +0200 Anselm R Garbe wrote: Hey Anselm, > I kind of disagree here. I'm using both, PC laptops and MacBooks and > besides the aluminium case and the screen, MacBooks are in no way > superior or more reliable than the competition -- both in terms >

Re: [dev] [dwm] crash on xsetroot emoji character

2016-10-25 Thread Martin Kühne
IIRC there are fonts who claim ridiculously large glyph sizes in some circumstances, and yes that wasn't a dwm issue in and on itself. Geatan, what font configuration are you using? cheers! mar77i

Re: [dev] [dwm] crash on xsetroot emoji character

2016-10-25 Thread David Phillips
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:43:34PM +0200, Petr Šabata wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:36:49PM +1300, David Phillips wrote: > > I'm getting massive déja-vu from this, I remember an issue on github for > > a similar problem—perhaps with another wm. Unfortunately, I cannot > > remember. > > > >

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 23 October 2016 at 23:44, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > "People who are really serious about software should make their > own hardware." > > And this approach works: Macs are reliable and used to be very reliable > machines, as already pointed out in this thread IBM

Re: [dev] [dwm] crash on xsetroot emoji character

2016-10-25 Thread Laslo Hunhold
On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 00:09:42 -1000 Gaetan Bisson wrote: Hey Gaetan, > I'm running the latest git snapshot of dwm on Arch Linux. It crashes > (and the X server along with it) deterministically when I run: > > xsetroot -name $(printf '\xf0\x9f\xa4\x93') thanks for

Re: [dev] [dwm] crash on xsetroot emoji character

2016-10-25 Thread Petr Šabata
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:36:49PM +1300, David Phillips wrote: > I'm getting massive déja-vu from this, I remember an issue on github for > a similar problem—perhaps with another wm. Unfortunately, I cannot > remember. > > Perhaps someone can remind me > > Cheers It was on this list.

Re: [dev] [dwm] crash on xsetroot emoji character

2016-10-25 Thread David Phillips
I'm getting massive déja-vu from this, I remember an issue on github for a similar problem—perhaps with another wm. Unfortunately, I cannot remember. Perhaps someone can remind me Cheers

Re: [dev] [dwm] crash on xsetroot emoji character

2016-10-25 Thread Joseph Graham
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:09:42AM -1000, Gaetan Bisson wrote: > Hi, > > I'm running the latest git snapshot of dwm on Arch Linux. It crashes > (and the X server along with it) deterministically when I run: > > xsetroot -name $(printf '\xf0\x9f\xa4\x93') > > That's an emoji character. It

[dev] [dwm] crash on xsetroot emoji character

2016-10-25 Thread Gaetan Bisson
Hi, I'm running the latest git snapshot of dwm on Arch Linux. It crashes (and the X server along with it) deterministically when I run: xsetroot -name $(printf '\xf0\x9f\xa4\x93') That's an emoji character. It was in some Web page's title and got picked up by my browser as window title,