Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread hiro
On 6/13/17, Cág wrote: > So, to summarise: > > Browsers suck because web sucks > C++ sucks > Android sucks > Python sucks > Java sucks > Javascript sucks > > In other news the sky is blue, water is wet and snow is white. No, you suck.

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread hiro
> Now I reallize that I deeply lacked tact: that question was highly > unapropriate. You are unappropriate.

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread Josuah Demangeon
sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com: > worst: it is an obvious troll. > > going to shorten it: > > He's right, computer systems are ultra-secure: viruses and hacks (software and > hardware) are a very rare thing, they do not happen all the time, at best this > is an illuminaty conspiracy to make us beli

Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread Hiltjo Posthuma
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 07:56:46PM +0100, Cág wrote: > So, to summarise: > > Browsers suck because web sucks > C++ sucks > Android sucks > Python sucks > Java sucks > Javascript sucks > > In other news the sky is blue, water is wet and snow is white. > This is not obvious to many, especially if

Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread lukáš Hozda
>They both suck in their own, unique, horrible ways. Comparing them is >like comparing turds and vomits. It gets even worse when they are combined. For example Android System WebView is almost 170mb of Java and C++ bloat used to run web bloat from the comfort of other bloated apps

[dev] [sbase] Changing BUFSIZ

2017-06-13 Thread Mattias Andrée
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Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread Cág
So, to summarise: Browsers suck because web sucks C++ sucks Android sucks Python sucks Java sucks Javascript sucks In other news the sky is blue, water is wet and snow is white. -- caóc

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread sylvain . bertrand
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 07:39:28PM +0200, hiro wrote: > this is not a philosophy list, go back to school please. worst: it is an obvious troll. going to shorten it: He's right, computer systems are ultra-secure: viruses and hacks (software and hardware) are a very rare thing, they do not happen

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread Josuah Demangeon
On June 13, 2017 7:39:28 PM GMT+02:00, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > this is not a philosophy list, go back to school please. You are right. I fooled myself into believing it was for some technical reasons.

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread hiro
this is not a philosophy list, go back to school please. On 6/13/17, Josuah Demangeon wrote: > > > On June 13, 2017 7:29:14 PM GMT+02:00, sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: >> Only fools believe in computer security. >> I'm not one of them. > > I am curious about the reasons as I am a total beginn

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread Josuah Demangeon
On June 13, 2017 7:29:14 PM GMT+02:00, sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: > Only fools believe in computer security. > I'm not one of them. I am curious about the reasons as I am a total beginner in that domain. Do you mind to develop about it ?

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread sylvain . bertrand
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 07:12:59PM +0200, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: > > You are being unreasonable here: you are presuming that "computer security" > > does exist... but it does not. > > Software does not exist either for that matter, it's j

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread Kamil Cholewiński
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: > You are being unreasonable here: you are presuming that "computer security" > does exist... but it does not. Software does not exist either for that matter, it's just a pattern of arbitrarily encoded 0's and 1's. "Today a young man on acid

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread sylvain . bertrand
https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ https://you-get.org/ Since when python3 is suckless? To run those, you need that pile of sh*t which is python. Why not ruby? lua? perl? js? php? haskell? squirel? etc... while we are it. -- Sylvain

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread sylvain . bertrand
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 05:17:54PM +0200, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > [...] android is doing the right thing: it separates processes by > > running them as separate users. [...] > > Every respectable OS/distro packages daemons to run as separa

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread sylvain . bertrand
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:57:16AM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote: > Android is a moving target but this is 'suck-less' right? Is this a joke? A basic troll attempt? -- Sylvain

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread Kamil Cholewiński
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > [...] android is doing the right thing: it separates processes by > running them as separate users. [...] Every respectable OS/distro packages daemons to run as separate users. Every respectable piece of software separates privileges and uses s

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread hiro
this is stupid. the reason i brought this up is to make clear that android and linux don't need to be so different, you got it the wrong way around, i.e. android is doing the right thing: it separates processes by running them as separate users. the semantic was always there, but it's something lin

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 13 June 2017 at 09:29, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > linux supports multiple users for permission management. A hassle at best, quirky at worst. I'd rather have per process permissions. > on android nothing works either. apps often require random libraries > like google play services to be

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread hiro
linux supports multiple users for permission management. on android nothing works either. apps often require random libraries like google play services to be installed and are generally written by comparatively incompetent programmers. android is a moving target. On 6/13/17, Calvin Morrison wrote

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread Calvin Morrison
>> > For youtube, we agree 100%, but it seems that the javascript/modern web >> > engine >> > combo is used as a kind of DRM... namely the dependency by complexity is >> > _on >> > purpose_ (see the user agreement of youtube: you MUST use the >> > javascript/modern >> > web engine video player.

Re: Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread Ivan Tham
Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: > > When mentioning souldcloud, I usually refer to the "sound editing" feature. > > As a person that does most of his music making in plain old analog > (including a tape recorder), I miss the point of having a web

Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread hiro
> However not without labor on the part of the developer. check the script i posted on this mailing list before that doesn't require any labor on part of the developer since i posted it. On 6/13/17, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: >> When mention

Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread Kamil Cholewiński
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: > When mentioning souldcloud, I usually refer to the "sound editing" feature. As a person that does most of his music making in plain old analog (including a tape recorder), I miss the point of having a web service doing audio stuff, i.e. what

Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread sylvain . bertrand
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 12:06:38PM +0200, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: > > Ofc, some internet sites do provide services which are hard dependent > > on a rich GUI (I usually mention soundcloud). > > Actually audio and video playback these days c

Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread Kamil Cholewiński
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: > Ofc, some internet sites do provide services which are hard dependent > on a rich GUI (I usually mention soundcloud). Actually audio and video playback these days can be done with pure HTML markup, which is sufficient for a completely bare-b

Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread sylvain . bertrand
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 02:19:08PM +0200, Hiltjo Posthuma wrote: > Coming back to the real practical world: until then I try to keep my > (personal) > HTML pages simple[5] and use as little Javascript as possible (no jQuery!). A noscript web portal should be mandatory for the web sites which the

Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread sylvain . bertrand
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 01:30:12PM -0700, Louis Santillan wrote: > base, I disagree with the choice of nodejs & Qt), could make web > browsing . . . better, safer, more performant. c++ only based components: it's not suckless then, by definition. It's already game over before it even starts. --

Re: [dev] Interesting Web Browser Decoupling Concept

2017-06-13 Thread hiro
i will so install you guy's facebook app