Re: [dev] [OT] What's wrong with C++?

2010-09-12 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Szabolcs Nagy n...@port70.net wrote: i once looked into this, here is what i've found: http://port70.net/~nsz/16_c++.html * quote: c++; /* this makes c bigger but returns the old value */ This is utterly brilliant. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] [OT] What's wrong with C++?

2010-09-12 Thread hiro
This is how I remember where ++ does what :D On 9/12/10, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Szabolcs Nagy n...@port70.net wrote: i once looked into this, here is what i've found: http://port70.net/~nsz/16_c++.html * quote: c++; /* this

Re: [dev] [OT] What's wrong with C++?

2010-09-11 Thread Paolo
One of my maxims is that everyone mistakenly thinks that the kind of programs that they write are the kind of programs everyone writes. There are arguments against C++. Nothing more than that. I'd use Python to check md5 hash of my downloads $alias md5.=python -c \import hashlib; print

Re: [dev] [OT] What's wrong with C++?

2010-09-11 Thread Nicolai Waniek
On 09/10/2010 07:46 PM, v4hn wrote: On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 08:19:38PM +0300, Nikhilesh S wrote: I haven't really understood the problems with C++ that the people here that have problems with C++ have[...] Felix von Leitner gave a pretty good presentation in 2007 on such problems :)

Re: [dev] [OT] What's wrong with C++?

2010-09-11 Thread David Tweed
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Paolo lordkran...@gmail.com wrote: Why program in C++ when you can do it in C, making the program simpler and better? When you can't make the program simpler and better, or you need to do it faster than you do in C, just write C++ or whatever. This is

Re: [dev] [OT] What's wrong with C++?

2010-09-11 Thread v4hn
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 01:59:07PM +0200, Nicolai Waniek wrote: From looking at FeFe's presentation just some notes: His complaints are mostly corner cases. You can produce some stupid corner cases where the language sucks for every language. Sure, but it's quite easy for C++ ;) After all this

Re: [dev] [OT] What's wrong with C++?

2010-09-11 Thread matus,
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 10:58:19PM +0100, David Tweed wrote: On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Paolo lordkran...@gmail.com wrote: Why program in C++ when you can do it in C, making the program simpler and better? When you can't make the program simpler and better, or you need to do it

[dev] [OT] What's wrong with C++?

2010-09-10 Thread Nikhilesh S
I must start out saying I don't have much experience in software development with larger teams on large projects or with lots of other people, or in 'commercial software development' in companies - I've just done stuff as a hobby in my free time for the past 5 years or so, learning on my own - but

Re: [dev] [OT] What's wrong with C++?

2010-09-10 Thread Paolo
Uriel has a page on that, you can find some link there. http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/ C++ inserts a serie of unneeded complexity to the straightforwardness of C. If you think object-orientedly, you sure imagine a lot of Player objects each with a Position object (x,y,z) referenced to a

Re: [dev] [OT] What's wrong with C++?

2010-09-10 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
* Nikhilesh S s.nikhil...@gmail.com [2010-09-10 20:19:38 +0300]: Is C++ broken because no one really understands it fully? Is allowing multiple paradigms in a single langauge a problem? Should language enforce paradigm? Could you elaborate in detail, what exactly are your problems with C++?

Re: [dev] [OT] What's wrong with C++?

2010-09-10 Thread Ramil Farkhshatov
There is a good analysis of C++ monstrosity: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa -- Ramil Farkhshatov

Re: [dev] [OT] What's wrong with C++?

2010-09-10 Thread David Tweed
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Paolo lordkran...@gmail.com wrote: Why program in C++ when you can do it in C, making the program simpler and better? One of my maxims is that everyone mistakenly thinks that the kind of programs that they write are the kind of programs everyone writes. There

Re: [dev] [OT] What's wrong with C++?

2010-09-10 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 08:19:38PM +0300, Nikhilesh S wrote: I must start out saying I don't have much experience in software development with larger teams on large projects or with lots of other people, or in 'commercial software development' in companies - I've just done stuff as a hobby in my