Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-25 Thread hiro
10x smaller is certainly not suckless either. check the archives, you only need a couple lines to parse the youtube bullshit for the real video file with some sed or so. On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Ivan Tham wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 10:03:51PM +, Teodoro Santoni wrote: >> >> Hi

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-25 Thread sylvain . bertrand
On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 01:00:20PM +0800, Ivan Tham wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 10:03:51PM +, Teodoro Santoni wrote: > > Hi Laslo, > > > > 2016-12-24 10:11 GMT, Laslo Hunhold : > > > > Anything else can be solved by finding your way into scraping the > > > > website and building a prox

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-24 Thread Ivan Tham
On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 10:03:51PM +, Teodoro Santoni wrote: Hi Laslo, 2016-12-24 10:11 GMT, Laslo Hunhold : Anything else can be solved by finding your way into scraping the website and building a proxy that sends you a very simplified version of it at your w3m, links, lynx, dillo, mosaic

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-24 Thread Teodoro Santoni
Hi Laslo, 2016-12-24 10:11 GMT, Laslo Hunhold : >> Anything else can be solved by finding your way into scraping the >> website and building a proxy that sends you a very simplified version >> of it at your w3m, links, lynx, dillo, mosaic or shell script. >> It isn't easier and should be packed in

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-24 Thread sylvain . bertrand
On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 11:11:56AM +0100, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > > Anything else can be solved by finding your way into scraping the > > website and building a proxy that sends you a very simplified version > > of it at your w3m, links, lynx, dillo, mosaic or shell script. > > It isn't easier and s

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-24 Thread sylvain . bertrand
On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:49:15PM +, Josuah Demangeon wrote: > On 2016-12-17 20:22, Cág wrote: > > And this is why the web engine should be in C, hackable, simple and > > small enough > > to be compiled with tcc/pcc/scc, just like other suckless software > > (I haven't tried scc though, looks

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-24 Thread Laslo Hunhold
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 01:17:51 + Teodoro Santoni wrote: Hey Teodoro, > Obfuscation of the data used to draw the web application is also > often done on purpose, to protect the website's revenue from > adblockers. I dispute the idea that web services like Soundcloud > would need an interface li

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-23 Thread Teodoro Santoni
Hi, 2016-12-17 17:51 GMT, Sylvain BERTRAND : > The real pb are web coders: many of the web sites could have a noscript > portal > without losing significant functionalities. The web sites which _must_ have > a > rich GUI (hence a dynamic browser, for instance soundcloud) should provide > an > simp

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-23 Thread Josuah Demangeon
On 2016-12-17 20:22, Cág wrote: And this is why the web engine should be in C, hackable, simple and small enough to be compiled with tcc/pcc/scc, just like other suckless software (I haven't tried scc though, looks like active work is in progress by glancing at the log and hackers list). I j

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-18 Thread Sylvain BERTRAND
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 09:08:39PM +0100, Martin Kühne wrote: > Talking about banks who make things inherently complicated, I heard > some people use gnucash and similar things to do their bank stuff, > though I don't know how much functionality is there effectively > available on this stuff. I jus

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-18 Thread Sylvain BERTRAND
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 03:32:25PM +, Cág wrote: > Sylvain BERTRAND wrote: > > >Logs? Are you talking about a javascript enabled dynamic www renderer > >or C compilers? > > scc logs, here at suckless. scc/qbe good things... but no happy end since they won't be able to one-step compile a mode

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-18 Thread Sylvain BERTRAND
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 04:15:10PM +0100, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > However, we still have bootstrapping, so gcc might as well be written in > Brainfuck. As long as you can bootstrap it, everything is alright. You cannot bootstrap with C in a reasonable way. For instance you want to compile that pil

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-18 Thread Cág
Sylvain BERTRAND wrote: Logs? Are you talking about a javascript enabled dynamic www renderer or C compilers? scc logs, here at suckless. Because, people at google screwe* us: they made gcc c++. Not really, they allowed C++ in the compiler itself but not that much. C compiler is still in C

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-18 Thread Laslo Hunhold
On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 16:02:39 +0100 Sylvain BERTRAND wrote: Hey Sylvain, > Because, people at google screwe* us: they made gcc c++. It's means > that the reasonable starting point of any modern distros is a c++ > compiler and runtime! In order to compile linux and many critical > applications (li

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-18 Thread Sylvain BERTRAND
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 08:22:02PM +, Cág wrote: > to be compiled with tcc/pcc/scc, just like other suckless software > (I haven't tried scc though, looks like active work is in progress by > glancing at the log and hackers list). Logs? Are you talking about a javascript enabled dynamic www re

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-17 Thread Cág
Sylvain BERTRAND wrote: c++ software pulls also a c++ compiler and runtime in their dependencies, which are horrendous compared to a C compiler/miminal runtime. And this is why the web engine should be in C, hackable, simple and small enough to be compiled with tcc/pcc/scc, just like other

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-17 Thread Martin Kühne
Talking about banks who make things inherently complicated, I heard some people use gnucash and similar things to do their bank stuff, though I don't know how much functionality is there effectively available on this stuff. I just know my own bank which is otherwise really preferable for being Swis

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-17 Thread Staven
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 06:51:25PM +0100, Sylvain BERTRAND wrote: > I'm about to sue some french administrations over their www sites and my > french > bank www sites for their lack of interop with light www browsers. I wish you luck with that endeavor. My bank won't even let me log in if their

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-17 Thread Sylvain BERTRAND
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 07:06:52PM +0100, hiro wrote: > no, it's great they all are incompetent to create usable apis, it > means i don't have to waste my time with their shitty content either. Well, for many www sites not providing any critical services, you are right, it's sad, but they just can

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-17 Thread hiro
no, it's great they all are incompetent to create usable apis, it means i don't have to waste my time with their shitty content either. On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Sylvain BERTRAND wrote: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 01:17:38PM +, Cág wrote: >> Staven wrote: >> >> >or do you know a better c

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-17 Thread Sylvain BERTRAND
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 01:17:38PM +, Cág wrote: > Staven wrote: > > >or do you know a better compromise than webkit? > > Yeah, write our own web engine with blackjack and hookers, which is > mentioned on Project ideas page. c++ software pulls also a c++ compiler and runtime in their depende

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-17 Thread Cág
Staven wrote: or do you know a better compromise than webkit? Yeah, write our own web engine with blackjack and hookers, which is mentioned on Project ideas page. Cág

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-17 Thread Staven
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 01:32:55PM +0100, Sylvain BERTRAND wrote: > Is there anybody who dared to think that webkit-anything or geecko-anything is > in no way suckless due to their c++ implementation? > > -- > Sylvain > I don't think anybody's ever claimed otherwise. I think the point of surf i

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-17 Thread Sylvain BERTRAND
Is there anybody who dared to think that webkit-anything or geecko-anything is in no way suckless due to their c++ implementation? -- Sylvain

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-16 Thread Ian Macdonald
On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 09:27:02 +0800 Ivan Tham wrote: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 01:19:54AM +0100, Quentin Rameau wrote: > >> Hi, > >Hi Ian, > > > >> I have been using 'standard' surf through a proxy server for some > >> time by just setting 'http_proxy' in the env. This doesn't work > >> with w

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-16 Thread Ivan Tham
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 01:19:54AM +0100, Quentin Rameau wrote: Hi, Hi Ian, I have been using 'standard' surf through a proxy server for some time by just setting 'http_proxy' in the env. This doesn't work with webkit2. Does anyone know a fix? Otherwise surf2 seems to be working fine. Works f

Re: [dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-16 Thread Quentin Rameau
> Hi, Hi Ian, > I have been using 'standard' surf through a proxy server for some time > by just setting 'http_proxy' in the env. This doesn't work with > webkit2. Does anyone know a fix? Otherwise surf2 seems to be working > fine. Works for me. With webkit2gtk, the proxy handling is delegated do

[dev] [surf] Webkit2 with proxy server

2016-12-16 Thread Ian Macdonald
Hi, I have been using 'standard' surf through a proxy server for some time by just setting 'http_proxy' in the env. This doesn't work with webkit2. Does anyone know a fix? Otherwise surf2 seems to be working fine. Thanks