Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-24 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 10/24/11 at 10:30am, Kurt H Maier wrote: users don't give a shit about software licensing I do. -- # Kurt H Maier --

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-24 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
Somebody claiming to be mikshaw wrote: From: Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com   only an idiot compares a software license to slavery. As far as the cc-nd license RMS apparently prefers for his own audio, I fully agree this is hypocritical and wrong. Not to wade into a flametroll war, but for

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-24 Thread Niki Yoshiuchi
So I guess that means no auto-tuned Richard Stallman huh? On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Stephen Paul Weber singpol...@singpolyma.net wrote: Somebody claiming to be mikshaw wrote: From: Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com only an idiot compares a software license to slavery. As far as

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-24 Thread Bryan Bennett
The GPL is nothing more than Richard Stallman's highly encumbered temper-tantrum against propriety software, it has almost nothing to do with true freedom. Eloquently sums up my issue with the GPL itself as well as the FSF in general.

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-24 Thread mikshaw
- Original Message - From: Al Gest In the real world a person's freedoms are very much decided by their ability to obtain those freedoms. That might not fall in line with your moralistic ideologies, but it is reality. The GPL is nothing more than Richard Stallman's highly

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-24 Thread Paul Onyschuk
On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:54:18 +0200 Andreas Krennmair a...@synflood.at wrote: Primarily, the GPL balances freedom towards the agenda of the FSF and their specific interpretation of the term freedom. -ak Copyleft or not? This is never ending discussion, mostly ideological. GPL has many

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-24 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 2:00 PM, mikshaw mrb...@yahoo.com wrote: If you're stifling another person's freedoms, you're doing something bad. Not giving you stuff is not stifling your freedom. They're free only up to the point when a dev decides to turn the code into a proprietary product... At

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-24 Thread Corey Thomasson
On 24 October 2011 14:00, mikshaw mrb...@yahoo.com wrote: Unrestricted freedom is impossible And there's no such thing as restricted freedom. I just disagree with people who support those licenses while rabidly claiming the GPL to be some kind of evil cancer. But the GPL is *designed*

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-24 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings comrades. On 24.10.2011 20:10, Corey Thomasson wrote: On 24 October 2011 14:00, mikshaw mrb...@yahoo.com wrote: Unrestricted freedom is impossible And there's no such thing as restricted freedom. There is positive discrimination too. I just disagree with people who support

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-23 Thread mikshaw
- Original Message - From: Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl To: dev mail list dev@suckless.org Cc: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com : On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Stanley Lieber stanley.lie

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-23 Thread Andreas Krennmair
* mikshaw mrb...@yahoo.com [2011-10-23 14:50]: Claiming a person's freedoms are decided by their ability to obtain those freedoms?  Very wrong.  Just as laws against slavery are there to balance the freedoms of all, GPL is there to balance the freedoms of all users devs, present and future.

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-23 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 8:47 AM, mikshaw mrb...@yahoo.com wrote: No. Claiming a person's freedoms are decided by their ability to obtain those freedoms?  Very wrong.  Just as laws against slavery are there to balance the freedoms of all, GPL is there to balance the freedoms of all users

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-23 Thread hiro
fucking pussies around?

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-23 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 10/23/11, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: that is a load of pretentious, presumptuous shit, mrblog, and nobody involved with the creation of the GPL is qualified to judge the needs of all users devs, present and future. I second that. Richard Stallman's love for cc-by-nd is enough

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-23 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
I heard him ask recorders of a speech of his to license recordings under a no-derivs-allowed CC license this summer (in Fjölbrautaskólinn við Ármúla, Iceland). These recordings tend to get lost and forgotten in cutting, encoding and uploading. I'll try to see if this one got online, and dig it up.

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-23 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: I heard him ask recorders of a speech of his to license recordings under a no-derivs-allowed CC license this summer (in Fjölbrautaskólinn við Ármúla, Iceland). Here's an example of some film of his under cc-by-nd:

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-23 Thread hiro
I saw a beggar a few days ago and didn't give him any money - he reminded me of RMS.

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-21 Thread Jakub Lach
Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com : On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Stanley Lieber stanley.lie...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Claude Lelouch lelou...@rocketmail.com wrote: Why don't I have the freedom to own slaves? because you don't have the strength to take

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-21 Thread Invalid Argument
I need a +1 button on Stanley's reply... :P Excerpts from Stanley Lieber's message of 2011-10-20 20:32:46 -0400: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Claude Lelouch lelou...@rocketmail.com wrote: Why don't I have the freedom to own slaves? because you don't have the strength to take them.

[dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-20 Thread Claude Lelouch
Why don't I have the freedom to own slaves?

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-20 Thread Stanley Lieber
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Claude Lelouch lelou...@rocketmail.com wrote: Why don't I have the freedom to own slaves? because you don't have the strength to take them. -sl

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-20 Thread Jacob Todd
The gpl is slavery. On Oct 20, 2011 8:09 PM, Claude Lelouch lelou...@rocketmail.com wrote: Why don't I have the freedom to own slaves?

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-20 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Stanley Lieber stanley.lie...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Claude Lelouch lelou...@rocketmail.com wrote: Why don't I have the freedom to own slaves? because you don't have the strength to take them. -sl this is the greatest email ever

Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-20 Thread Am Jam
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Stanley Lieber stanley.lie...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Claude Lelouch lelou...@rocketmail.com wrote: Why don't I have the freedom to own slaves? because you don't have the strength to take them. -sl Can we give this guy a medal