Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-29 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 29 October 2011 10:35, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote: This whole discussion is missing an important fact, where Windows is losing for years now: It's porn. Just imagine the average porn user, which now shifted its usage to the web. Well, in average it needs three months to get such

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-29 Thread Jeremy Jackins
condolences on your shitty university Makes me appreciate mine a bit more, where the windows section of the main undergrad lab is a dank little corner mainly populated by students from other departments who were forced into taking a CS course.

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-29 Thread hiro
Well, I use Linux because I couldn't customize my task bar.

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-29 Thread Guilherme Lino
i beg to differ beamer is a total crap! total pain, light years away from the modern world i would rather do it in html.. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Peter John Hartman peterjohnhart...@gmail.com wrote: I beg to differ. beamer for my slideshows. ledpar/ledmac for critical editions.

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-29 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 29/10/11 hiro said: Well, I use Linux because I couldn't customize my task bar. When I bought my netbook it came with win7 starter. Micro$oft doesn't let you set your own wallpaper in starter. I couldn't get Debian on it fast enough. Mike signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-29 Thread Guilherme Lino
oh im sorry, didn't know you were all so smart and get so much things done. carry on then.. sincerely Basement geek On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: This thread is demented. On 29/10/2011, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: of course for all

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-29 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: oh im sorry, didn't know you were all so smart and get so much things done. carry on then.. sincerely Basement geek Anselm, Now that this guy has demonstrated he's the sort of asshole who conflates windows with the

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-29 Thread Bryan Bennett
We could also just ignore the shit out of him. Or mock him a new asshole.

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-29 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 29 October 2011 14:29, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: Anselm, Now that this guy has demonstrated he's the sort of asshole who conflates windows with the modern world and attaches decade-old meme images to mailing list posts, can we go ahead and block him from the list, or are we

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:33:18 +0100 Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: latex is cool, vim, dwm, but no one out of the professional field of computer sience have the time or patience to learn this unix philosophy.. are you trolling or what? nobody will ever need more then 64k of memory..

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:12 +0200, Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:33:18 +0100 Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: latex is cool, vim, dwm, but no one out of the professional field of computer sience have the time or patience to learn this unix

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:25:48 +0200 Pieter Praet pie...@praet.org wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:12 +0200, Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:33:18 +0100 Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: latex is cool, vim, dwm, but no one out of the

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Paul Onyschuk
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:33:18 +0100 Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal person i remember first time i used ubuntu. i started a openoffice presentation on the 4th slide the system was already unusable. And wet

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread hiro
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 07:58, Pieter Praet pie...@praet.org wrote: That's because Ubuntu sucks only marginally less than Windows Huh? Ubuntu sucks a lot more.

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 27/10/11 Guilherme Lino said: yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal person Dunno, my Mother is pretty normal. My 9-year-old son is rather special, but he's had no computer education at all. They both manage. At least openoffice allows opening of those

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 10/28/11 at 01:35pm, hiro wrote: That's because Ubuntu sucks only marginally less than Windows Huh? Ubuntu sucks a lot more. I'm just a user of some suckless software, but anyway: if suck in this thread is used with the semi-technical sense of not abiding by the suckless philosophy,

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:18 AM, Troels Henriksen at...@sigkill.dk wrote: from the purview of the average computer user. this is the biggest part of why he's an asshole. if you're not willing to learn how to use a computer don't buy a computer. if your biggest complaint about a piece of

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 28 October 2011 12:46, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: this is the biggest part of why he's an asshole.  if you're not willing to learn how to use a computer don't buy a computer.  if your biggest complaint about a piece of software is I can't immediately use it then you are an

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread hiro
Ubuntu [...] encourages the occasional foray into the terminal emulator It's sadly not what Ubuntu is about. And they discourage compiling your own stuff IIRC. I agree with some people here who say Lunix is not Lunix. Of course it's what you make out of it. Out of Ubuntu you can only try to make

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:18:18 +0200, Troels Henriksen at...@sigkill.dk wrote: Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal person who the

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:47:34 +0200, Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: On 10/28/11 at 01:35pm, hiro wrote: That's because Ubuntu sucks only marginally less than Windows Huh? Ubuntu sucks a lot more. I'm just a user of some suckless software, but anyway: if suck in this

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 28/10/11 Pieter Praet said: When acquiring *any* type of technology (in the very broad sense of the word), you should either make an effort to educate yourself regarding available options, usage and maintenance, or reimburse someone to do it all for you. If you refuse to do either of

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 28/10/11 Connor Lane Smith said: (The only truly intuitive interface is a nipple.) I have two kids. Trust me, it's not. Mike signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:16:33 +0100 Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: On 28 October 2011 12:46, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: this is the biggest part of why he's an asshole.  if you're not willing to learn how to use a computer don't buy a computer.  if your biggest

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Jakub Lach
Dnia 28 października 2011 14:17 hiro 23h...@googlemail.com napisał(a): And they discourage compiling your own stuff IIRC. Watching shit scroll by for hours makes me a Linux expert overnight!

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be wrote: So knowing this, I would classify the expectations that arise as a consequence of being indoctrinated by years of windows usage, under the category of intuition :) your grasp of genetics is breathtaking -- # Kurt

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:41:52 +0200, Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be wrote: [...] I think that if generations of people use windows, this acclimatization also slowly grows in their DNA, So, only a matter of time before this becomes reality: - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/ [...]

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:41:21 -0400, Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca wrote: On 28/10/11 Pieter Praet said: When acquiring *any* type of technology (in the very broad sense of the word), you should either make an effort to educate yourself regarding available options, usage

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Pieter Praet pie...@praet.org wrote: And I absolutely agree that for most FOSS projects, grokking the source is rather unlikely to have a positive ROI re time and effort, so And that's why suckless.org is important. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:29:24 -0400, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Pieter Praet pie...@praet.org wrote: And I absolutely agree that for most FOSS projects, grokking the source is rather unlikely to have a positive ROI re time and effort, so And

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 28/10/11 Kurt H Maier said: And I absolutely agree that for most FOSS projects, grokking the source is rather unlikely to have a positive ROI re time and effort, so And that's why suckless.org is important. Is that to say that suckless.org code is simple enough to be its own

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Guilherme Lino
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal person who the fuck cares about normal people? -- # Kurt H

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Guilherme Lino
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal person who the fuck cares about normal people? -- # Kurt H

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Guilherme Lino
maybe they are, just like you, a special boy! but lets not talk about that.. in my university we have 700 computer science students if 30 like linux its already to much, if really understand really linux again to much On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Michael P. Soulier

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 29/10/11 Guilherme Lino said: maybe they are, just like you, a special boy! but lets not talk about that.. in my university we have 700 computer science students if 30 like linux its already to much, if really understand really linux again to much Sorry, I don't know what you're

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Guilherme Lino
people are relieved that the linux class is over and they don't have to use it again if in 700 computer science students the great majority says windows is so cool, C# is so cool, visual studio 2010 is the best and linux is crap... thats because at first sight it looks crap! i just asked my

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Guilherme Lino
what you think about this http://acko.net/ (Termkit) something like this better implemented on linux will bring 21 century people into linux basics -- Guilherme Lino

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 29/10/11 Guilherme Lino said: people are relieved that the linux class is over and they don't have to use it again if in 700 computer science students the great majority says windows is so cool, C# is so cool, visual studio 2010 is the best and linux is crap... thats because at first

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Connor Lane Smith
This thread is demented. On 29/10/2011, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: of course for all geeks its great and super cool.. but so many ppl dont know what it is. And if they know they will not spend time to go from a normal responsive with all they need system to some unresponsive

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Patrick Haller
On 2011-10-29 01:44, Connor Lane Smith wrote: This thread is demented... *very* irritating. Trolls have to perform some socially useful function or else we'd all have learned by now. Patrick * yeah, I know it's only October. ;)

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Pierre Chapuis
And here are the super fancy slides in OpenOffice format. Stopped here. This guy is not qualified to rant.

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
that guy is wrong in so many ways I won't even bother to mention any specifics. Sure, the stuff he mentions is somewhat correlated to the real problems with spare time open source software, but his interpretations and solutions, oh my. He doesn't really know what he's talking about. Dieter

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Bryan Bennett
I watched this last night and raged pretty hard for 45 minutes. The guy has somevalid points, but proposes absolutely no viable solution for it. His pointregarding video editors requiring significant dedicated development time andtheir non-existance for Linux, for instance, is valid. Asking that

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread hiro
this video is not available sucks

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread hiro
You guys are so stupid if you think ./configure is great

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Justin Pogue
On Thu, 2011-10-27 at 16:04 +0200, hiro wrote: You guys are so stupid if you think ./configure is great beat me to it

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Bryan Bennett
I don't think anyone here actually feels that the monolith that most configure scripts become is a good thing. However, that's not within the scope of what's going on here - the idea being that ./configure is a necessary part of compiling a sizable portion of software. Saying that we need a

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Pieter Praet
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:02:46 +0200, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: this video is not available sucks Don't worry, you're not missing out on anything, besides the guy making a total fool of himself in front of a totally oblivious audience (which is just annoying; no comical value

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Pieter Praet
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:04:21 +0200, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: You guys are so stupid if you think ./configure is great Nobody said anything of the like. Are you projecting or something? ;) Peace -- Pieter

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Bryan Bennett bbenn...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think anyone here actually feels that the monolith that most configure scripts become is a good thing. However, that's not within the scope of what's going on here - the idea being that ./configure is a necessary

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On 27.10.2011 02:04, Guilherme Lino wrote: yo fund this.. it kind of old, but it rise some questions http://lunduke.com/?p=429 how do you feel about this? At least he is able to setup a website. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread David
Am 27.10.2011 17:57, schrieb Christoph Lohmann: Greetings. On 27.10.2011 02:04, Guilherme Lino wrote: yo fund this.. it kind of old, but it rise some questions http://lunduke.com/?p=429 how do you feel about this? At least he is able to setup a website. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Guilherme Lino
yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal person i remember first time i used ubuntu. i started a openoffice presentation on the 4th slide the system was already unusable. And wet back to windows, even google docs was better for the job. of course latex is cool,

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Peter John Hartman
I beg to differ. beamer for my slideshows. ledpar/ledmac for critical editions. (http://www.djdekker.net/) latex for publications. perl for searches (stanford encyclopedia of philosophy) git for collaboration (buridanica.net) antiword to read student papers and i work in the HUMANITIES, baby.

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Andrew Hills
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal person i remember first time i used ubuntu. i started a openoffice presentation on the 4th slide the system was already unusable. And wet back to

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal person who the fuck cares about normal people? -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-27 Thread Pieter Praet
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:33:18 +0100, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal person s/normal/uninformed Also, see Kurt Maier's response [1]. i remember first time i used ubuntu. i started a openoffice presentation on

[dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-26 Thread Guilherme Lino
yo fund this.. it kind of old, but it rise some questions http://lunduke.com/?p=429 how do you feel about this? -- Guilherme Lino

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-26 Thread Pieter Praet
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:04:42 +0100, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: yo fund this.. it kind of old, but it rise some questions You're absolutely right, it does raise some questions: So, not only did you take this guy's useless drivel seriously, but you actually thought the