Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Patrick Haller
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:32:40AM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: If you understand some of the C functions of dwm as Unix processes than you are pretty close to realise, one can play things pretty much Unix like, but if the LOC adds up dramatically at the bottom line, it is probably not worth

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread pancake
+1 On 03/02/11 10:58, Anselm R Garbe wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 05:48:43PM +0800, Patrick Haller wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:32:40AM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: If you understand some of the C functions of dwm as Unix processes than you are pretty close to realise, one can play

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread hiro
So you say wmii is bad because it's less work to fiddle around with? I use it because I like the default configuration better than dwm's. I run it on old celerons and 64mb ram. Speed is not an issue.

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread hiro
Patrick, sqweek's comment was ironic! On 3/2/11, sqweek sqw...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 February 2011 01:01, Patrick Haller 201009-suckl...@haller.ws wrote: yup. WMs usually bind several orthogonals: window manipulation / decoration, keyboard shortcuts. focus management. Nice. Each task is so

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 12:59:11PM +, hiro wrote: So you say wmii is bad because it's less work to fiddle around with? I'm saying that ideal software is barely configurable. I use it because I like the default configuration better than dwm's. I run it on old celerons and 64mb ram. Speed

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread hiro
Yes, I use this machine every day for playing music with mpd and light browsing like gmail with dillo. It is fanless and runs from a DOM. You naturally avoid flash java scripts, but most sites in the internet are a waste of time anyway. I really like my current setup, but I will probably get a

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread hiro
On 3/2/11, Anselm R Garbe ans...@garbe.us wrote: I'm saying that ideal software is barely configurable. Ideal for what purpose? Barely anything doesn't carry information if you put it in context with ideal. You should have said: Ideal software doesn't suck.

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Rob
On 2 March 2011 15:11, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: On 3/2/11, Anselm R Garbe ans...@garbe.us wrote: I'm saying that ideal software is barely configurable. Ideal for what purpose? Barely anything doesn't carry information if you put it in context with ideal. You should have said: Ideal

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread hiro
Do you want to tell me that sed, awk and cat is ideal software? sed is not ideal software for listening to music, is it? On 3/2/11, Rob robpill...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 March 2011 15:11, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: On 3/2/11, Anselm R Garbe ans...@garbe.us wrote: I'm saying that ideal

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Sean Howard
It (might be) ideal software for text modification and regex. Ideal software doesn't do everything. In fact, it is often suboptimal software that does everything. On 2 March 2011 12:48, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Do you want to tell me that sed, awk and cat is ideal software? sed is

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:48 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Do you want to tell me that sed, awk and cat is ideal software? sed is not ideal software for listening to music, is it? Are you recommending itunes as a window manager? -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread u
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 03:33:25PM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:48 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Do you want to tell me that sed, awk and cat is ideal software? sed is not ideal software for listening to music, is it? Are you recommending itunes as a

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:03 PM, u...@netbeisser.de wrote: sed 's/.*/#$@/' /var/log/messages /dev/audio somewhat boring ;) This might be the world's most accurate Wagner emulator. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Rob
Rob, Without a real context it is difficult to measure if lack-of-configuration is laziness on the programmers part, or the genius of simplicity. Simplicity indicates a programmer who anticipate the needs of the user in such a way that it removes their constraints and increases performance

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-01 Thread Patrick Haller
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 11:36:46AM +0800, sqweek wrote: Nice. Each task is so simple broken down like this :) Thanks. I just added a focus manager that just makes sure focus is returned to PointerRoot. It's not absolutely necessary to run, because apps that exit taking focus with them can be

[dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-02-26 Thread Patrick Haller
Anyone here try using X11 without a window manager? Just using Xresources + specific tools: xbindkeys, xdotool, etc... I'm documenting the setup and adding small tools as needed (x-alt-tab, x-move-resize, x-session). https://github.com/patrickhaller/no-wm Patrick

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-02-26 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 2/26/11, Patrick Haller 201009-suckl...@haller.ws wrote: Anyone here try using X11 without a window manager? Just using Xresources + specific tools: xbindkeys, xdotool, etc... I'm documenting the setup and adding small tools as needed (x-alt-tab, x-move-resize, x-session).

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-02-26 Thread hiro
Try rio from plan9port perhaps?

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-02-26 Thread Patrick Haller
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:42:04PM +, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: Sounds really cool, but have you figured out how to manage detached (off-screen) windows? Maybe windows that aren't on screen suck too much. unmapped windows = xdotool search stupid_window windowmap mapped not

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-02-26 Thread Kurt H Maier
Precisely what value do you get out of hacking up shell scripts to do this with a dozen tools? -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-02-26 Thread Steve Ryan
On 02/26/2011 11:10 AM, Patrick Haller wrote: unmapped windows = xdotool search stupid_window windowmap mapped not viewable = xdotool search stupid_window windowmove 0 0 I keep a stack of unmapped windows (especially for surf, which i open unmapped), managed via the script

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-02-26 Thread Patrick Haller
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 11:22:50AM -0500, Steve Ryan wrote: This is very cool, however I have one question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're replacing window-manager functionality with various small scripts and built-in X tools, right? So wouldn't you just be creating a (very

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-02-26 Thread Patrick Haller
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 11:17:50AM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: Precisely what value do you get out of hacking up shell scripts to do this with a dozen tools? It's at least a good way to understand exactly what one gets from X11. ;) Patrick

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-02-26 Thread Jacob Todd
What you seem to get is a shot in the foot. On Feb 26, 2011 12:07 PM, Patrick Haller 201009-suckl...@haller.ws wrote: On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 11:17:50AM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: Precisely what value do you get out of hacking up shell scripts to do this with a dozen tools? It's at least a

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-02-26 Thread Anders Andersson
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Steve Ryan gentleman.r...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/26/2011 01:03 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: What you seem to get is a shot in the foot. Why do you say that? It seems pretty interesting to me. -Steve Seeing someone shoot himself in the foot can be both