On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Szabolcs Nagy wrote:
> On 7/23/09, Donald Allen wrote:
>> fix it, when (in my opinion) a reasonable fix exists (change
>> alt- to ctrl-alt-), even for keyboards
>> without the Windows key.
>
> editing ctrl-alt out from the default config is more work than just
> ch
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Donald Allen wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Donald Allen wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Szabolcs Nagy wrote:
>>> On 7/23/09, Donald Allen wrote:
fix it, when (in my opinion) a reasonable fix exists (change
alt- to ctrl-alt-), even
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Donald Allen wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Szabolcs Nagy wrote:
>> On 7/23/09, Donald Allen wrote:
>>> fix it, when (in my opinion) a reasonable fix exists (change
>>> alt- to ctrl-alt-), even for keyboards
>>> without the Windows key.
>>
>> editing ct
> > anyway, i could agree with the change if it's just
> > #define MODKEY Mod1Mask|ControlMask
imho the best default is Mod1 - it's a lot less annoying than Ctrl+Alt,
in apps Esc+key can often be used instead. Ctrl+Alt is not a good
default, because it'll induce EMACS-fingers and scare off the use
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Donald Allen wrote:
>
>
> I believe this would have the effect of changing alt- to
> ctrl-alt- and also alt-shift- to
> ctrl-alt-shift-, yes?
>
> If so, that makes sense to me. It preserves the current consistency,
> which my fix does not, so in that way it is les
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Szabolcs Nagy wrote:
> On 7/23/09, Donald Allen wrote:
>> fix it, when (in my opinion) a reasonable fix exists (change
>> alt- to ctrl-alt-), even for keyboards
>> without the Windows key.
>
> editing ctrl-alt out from the default config is more work than just
> ch
On 7/23/09, Donald Allen wrote:
> fix it, when (in my opinion) a reasonable fix exists (change
> alt- to ctrl-alt-), even for keyboards
> without the Windows key.
editing ctrl-alt out from the default config is more work than just
changing the mod key definition
> window manager with defaults th
2009/7/23 Donald Allen :
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote:
>> We got config.h for that. The default key bindings won't change ;)
>
> As I observed when I began this thread, your defaults conflict
> directly with a well-established UI convention of many applications
> (the und
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote:
> 2009/7/22 Donald Allen :
>> I think the default key bindings for dwm are a unfortunate in some
>> cases. For example, alt-f, a natural choice for *f*loat mode,
>> conflicts with pulling down the File menu in many applications from
>> the keyb
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Jimmy Tang wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:07:42PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Donald Chai wrote:
>> > On Jul 22, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Donald Allen wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Michael wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Do
2009/7/22 Donald Allen :
> I think the default key bindings for dwm are a unfortunate in some
> cases. For example, alt-f, a natural choice for *f*loat mode,
> conflicts with pulling down the File menu in many applications from
> the keyboard. alt-T similarly conflicts with using the Tools menu in
Donald Allen dixit (2009-07-22, 20:07):
> > people change the setting to Mod2Mask to use the Windows key, but the
> > current default of Mod1Mask will work out of the box for anyone who doesn't
> > have a Windows/Apple/diamond key.
>
> That's true. But it also conflicts with a widely-available UI
On (22/07/09 10:30), Donald Allen wrote:
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:30:34 -0400
> From: Donald Allen
> To: dev mail list
> Subject: [dev] dwm default bindings
> List-Id: dev mail list
>
> I think the default key bindings for dwm are a unfortunate in some
> cases. For e
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:07:42PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Donald Chai wrote:
> > On Jul 22, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Donald Allen wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Michael wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Donald Allen wrote:
>
> I realize that these bindin
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Donald Chai wrote:
> On Jul 22, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Donald Allen wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>> Donald Allen wrote:
I realize that these bindings can be changed. But that requires some
work (and knowledge of C) on th
On Jul 22, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Donald Allen wrote:
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Michael wrote:
Donald Allen wrote:
I realize that these bindings can be changed. But that requires some
work (and knowledge of C) on the part of the user. I'm talking about
the choice of the defaults. Perhaps the
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 05:22:22PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Michael wrote:
> > Donald Allen wrote:
> >> I realize that these bindings can be changed. But that requires some
> >> work (and knowledge of C) on the part of the user. I'm talking about
> >> the choice
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Michael wrote:
> Donald Allen wrote:
>> I realize that these bindings can be changed. But that requires some
>> work (and knowledge of C) on the part of the user. I'm talking about
>> the choice of the defaults. Perhaps the keys modified by alt should
>> instead be
Donald Allen wrote:
> I realize that these bindings can be changed. But that requires some
> work (and knowledge of C) on the part of the user. I'm talking about
> the choice of the defaults. Perhaps the keys modified by alt should
> instead be modified by ctrl-alt by default? And similarly, alt-sh
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Donald Allen wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Donald Allen wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Julien Pecqueur
>> (JPEC) wrote:
>>> I think the ctrl+alt combinaison suck : you need two hands for killing a
>>> client...
>>
>> Not so, at least on m
Julien Pecqueur (JPEC) dixit (2009-07-22, 16:42):
> Finally a dwm user should don't use suck - more application wich use
> the alt key ! ^^
Like readline(3)?
For that reason alone, it's pretty hopeless to use alt as the wm
modifier. I'm in the MOD4 (winkey on pc keyboards) team, too. It doesn't
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Scytrin dai Kinthra wrote:
> I work on a wide variety of platforms and keyboards and I find the windows
> key prevalent enough to have it as my MODKEY. I even have the menu key
> wired to dmenu in xbindkeys for conveniance.
> However I do have dmenu and a few othe
* Donald Allen [2009-07-22 17:13]:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Julien Pecqueur
> > Finally a dwm user should don't use suck - more application wich use the
> > alt key ! ^^
>
> You mean like Firefox? Thunderbird? Gnumeric? etc.? This would save a
> lot of power, because the computer woul
Donald Allen wrote:
I think the default key bindings for dwm are a unfortunate in some
cases. For example, alt-f, a natural choice for *f*loat mode,
conflicts with pulling down the File menu in many applications from
the keyboard. alt-T similarly conflicts with using the Tools menu in
Firefox fro
I work on a wide variety of platforms and keyboards and I find the windows
key prevalent enough to have it as my MODKEY. I even have the menu key
wired to dmenu in xbindkeys for conveniance.
However I do have dmenu and a few other commands I find indesposable setup
to use Shift|Mod1 when I am on o
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Donald Allen wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Julien Pecqueur
> (JPEC) wrote:
>> I think the ctrl+alt combinaison suck : you need two hands for killing a
>> client...
>
> Not so, at least on my IBM keyboards and Thinkpad laptop keyboards.
> Left pinky an
I also bind dwm keys and others to MOD4 and then use xmodmap to swap it
with the Alt key. I rarely use the Alt key and find using the key on
either side of the space bar easily accessible with my thumbs.
-steve
On 10:33 Wed 22 Jul, Niki Yoshiuchi wrote:
>Personally I use the windows key as my mo
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Julien Pecqueur
(JPEC) wrote:
> I think the ctrl+alt combinaison suck : you need two hands for killing a
> client...
Not so, at least on my IBM keyboards and Thinkpad laptop keyboards.
Left pinky and thumb on ctrl and alt, 2nd (pointer) finger on c.
> Alt is bet
More modifier keys = more finger torture, I would advise against doing
this.
--
F.
Personally I use the windows key as my modifier, which I think makes the
most sense. However there are keyboards out there that don't have a windows
key so I don't know if it would be a good idea to use that as the default.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Donald Allen wrote:
> I think the defa
I think the default key bindings for dwm are a unfortunate in some
cases. For example, alt-f, a natural choice for *f*loat mode,
conflicts with pulling down the File menu in many applications from
the keyboard. alt-T similarly conflicts with using the Tools menu in
Firefox from the keyboard.
I rea
31 matches
Mail list logo
