[dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread hiro
I still sometimes need a full bloated web browser for bureaucratic bullshit, but opera doesn't work well with javascript lately and is anyways moving to webkit soon. So I need an alternative. chrome doesn't work since web developers found out about new annoying features like autocomplete="off" and

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread Peter Hartman
I use surf. Peter 2013/3/10 hiro <23h...@gmail.com>: > I still sometimes need a full bloated web browser for bureaucratic > bullshit, but opera doesn't work well with javascript lately and is > anyways moving to webkit soon. So I need an alternative. > > chrome doesn't work since web developers f

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread hiro
my grandma uses IE.

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread Strake
On 10/03/2013, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > are there any other new usable browsers lately? other ideas, > recommendations? Netsurf, maybe? It's written in pure C, at least. http://netsurf-browser.org Cheers, Strake

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:23:47 +0100 hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > chrome doesn't work since web developers found out about new annoying > features like autocomplete="off" and onpaste="return. > I'm not accepting such pedantry, but still I sometimes need working > javascript and cookie

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread stanio
* hiro 2013-03-10 14:26 > default? is there a list of features not supported so I can check if > my issues are not covered? no, of course. this is an ill posed problem. it would take infinite time and space to write or read. but feel free to start one. It might turn out to be fun to see what peo

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread Chris Down
I tried using netsurf a month or so ago. It seems that the layout engine is still not very mature, it displays things in a way that doesn't conform to W3C (whether you care about that is up to you, but on some websites it looks absolutely awful). As an aside there are things which make me cringe, l

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread hiro
opera is much faster than netsurf here. On 3/10/13, Chris Down wrote: > I tried using netsurf a month or so ago. It seems that the layout > engine is still not very mature, it displays things in a way that > doesn't conform to W3C (whether you care about that is up to you, but > on some websites

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread hiro
On 3/10/13, sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: > * hiro 2013-03-10 14:26 >> default? is there a list of features not supported so I can check if >> my issues are not covered? > > no, of course. this is an ill posed problem. it would take infinite time > and space to write or read. > > but feel free to

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread hiro
> Something like the Perl mechanize module is needed for the commandline, > but it hasn’t been done yet. why did you not consider something like this? http://surf.suckless.org/files/autologin

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread Nick
Quoth hiro: > I don't mean a list of all features imaginable, I mean a list of > features that exist e.g. in chrome, but are disabled in surf by > default, for sanity reasons. If you read again what I wrote my concern > is not lack of features. My biggest problem about web bullshit is that > it is

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread hiro
> God I hate a lot of the web. That's the spirit! Sadly we have to fight against three things: what standards do wrong, what web browsers do wrong and what web developers do wrong. I would prefer having a web browser that by default just refuses to support bullshit like autocomplete="off" or onp

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread hiro
> Of course -sp does basically all of this, but at the expense of quite a > few sites refusing to work at all. It doesn't disable HTML features. Suddenly I've seen there's now also inbuilt video/audio players in web browsers, such bullshit has to also be disabled by default!

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:26:35 +0100 Nick wrote: > Quoth hiro: > > I don't mean a list of all features imaginable, I mean a list of > > features that exist e.g. in chrome, but are disabled in surf by > > default, for sanity reasons. If you read again what I wrote my concern > > is not la

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread stanio
* Nick 2013-03-10 16:56 > triggered, no popup blockers seem to work on them (I'd guess adblock > disables the appropriate .js, though privoxy doesn't out of the > box.) same frustration here. --s.

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread stanio
* hiro 2013-03-10 17:20 > opera you can have usercss and userscripts on a per site basis. Does > someone have a good working system like that using surf? > -having to scroll horizontally because some stupid text doesn't fit in > fullscreen 1024x768 browser window I have 3 custom css bound to som

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread hiro
> I have 3 custom css bound to some keys. > > A per site solution would be implemented in script.js, right? Then, you > have problem when js is turned off... Yes, but opera might have enabled that since I last tried it, but just heard some rumours :(

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread hiro
> Yes, but opera might have enabled that since I last tried it, but just > heard some rumours :( And this was related to the per-site javascript I see that with the general userjs you could check for the site first, so it would be possible to make per-site CSS and javascripts from userjs in all c

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-10 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:20:05 +0100 hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes, but opera might have enabled that since I last tried it, but just > > heard some rumours :( > > And this was related to the per-site javascript > > I see that with the general userjs you could check for the sit

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-11 Thread Martti Kühne
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 2:16 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > does any suckless browser refuse to support these stupid features by > default? is there a list of features not supported so I can check if > my issues are not covered? > Just that someone mentioned it, there was a web browser writ

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-11 Thread Calvin Morrison
Another minimal browser is dillo. It is very small. I don't think it's rendering is as good as netsurf but follows the same general gist. - Calvin On 10 March 2013 09:47, Chris Down wrote: > I tried using netsurf a month or so ago. It seems that the layout > engine is still not very mature, it

Re: [dev] web browsers

2013-03-11 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:09:00 +0100 Martti Kühne wrote: > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 2:16 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > does any suckless browser refuse to support these stupid features by > > default? is there a list of features not supported so I can check if > > my issues are n