2021-09-17 13:54 GMT+02:00, Страхиња Радић :
> Exactly what Wayland's monolithic,
> opinionated concept doesn't. If a compositor crashes, the whole session
> goes
> down.
Wayland isn't monolithic, BUT is a faulty funnel. It does one thing,
does it poorly, and cuts some well-established use cases i
On 21/09/16, 20:36, Kyryl Melekhin wrote:
>And remember, always follow unix philosophy - go for what works first, optimize
>it later.
This should read "programs should do one thing and do it well" (DOTADIW)[1],
with the added "and work together". Exactly what Wayland's monolithic,
opinionated con
Hi,
I think much of the hate for wayland is misdirected. Don't get me wrong,
the state of wayland is bad. But IMHO that is not entirely the wayland
people's fault.
What they did is saying: "Hey guys, we are tired of maintaining X. We
will start a new project with a tighter focus. The wider l
Hello guys,
I recently tried out Wayland and here are some of my thoughts.
They market it as a "shiny new object". OK. So I compiled all the libs,
and tried the dwl compositor. I like suckless and dwl supposed to be
like dwm but on wayland.
Let's perform a simple test: I open the foot terminal (
On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 08:26:27AM +0200, Laslo Hunhold wrote:
> The gaslighting regarding Wayland wasted me a lot of time, as I'm told
> or I read every year that _now_ would be the time to switch to Wayland.
Just like _this_ year is the year of the Linux desktop? And then, when
the market share
On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 15:21:58 +0600
NRK wrote:
Dear NRK,
> Adding to what Laslo has already said:
>
> I think it's laughable that that wayland devolopers claim wayland to
> be a replacement for X while actively ignoring many use-case and
> forcing their "perfect frame" philosophy onto the users.
Hi,
Adding to what Laslo has already said:
I think it's laughable that that wayland devolopers claim wayland to be
a replacement for X while actively ignoring many use-case and forcing
their "perfect frame" philosophy onto the users.
It is _OK_ if the devs prioritize having perfect frame and wan
On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 20:34:20 +
Hadrien Lacour wrote:
Dear Hadrien,
> This, it would have been a great goal to modularize X11 and keep the
> worthy parts, not just reduce it to an exercise in "minimalism" (and
> complete lack of portability) and expect the free FOSS market to
> magically solv
On Wed, Sep 08, 2021 at 08:35:33PM +0200, Laslo Hunhold wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 14:28:29 +0100
> Nick wrote:
>
> Dear Nick,
>
> > Any thoughts, experiences, recommendations?
>
> the discussion has been very fruitful. Let me share my thoughts.
>
> Wayland the protocol is actually rather simple
On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 14:28:29 +0100
Nick wrote:
Dear Nick,
> Any thoughts, experiences, recommendations?
the discussion has been very fruitful. Let me share my thoughts.
Wayland the protocol is actually rather simple. It's a very thin
messaging layer between a compositor and clients, nothing mo
Hi Nick,
thanks for sharing dwl. I started writing some patches and it really
feels very close to dwm. Not fully there yet, but close.
also: don't feed the trolls
tobias
Quoth Страхиња Радић:
> On 21/09/08 01:36, Nick wrote:
> > The fact that the Jitsi devs closed
> > the bug as "not much we can do on our side" doesn't mean "wayland
> > broke it and we can't fix it".
>
> It's exactly the same thing.
In this instance it isn't, maybe I should have been more verbo
On 21/09/08 01:36, Nick wrote:
> The fact that the Jitsi devs closed
> the bug as "not much we can do on our side" doesn't mean "wayland
> broke it and we can't fix it".
It's exactly the same thing.
> the screen recording / sharing stuff - it works differently on
> Wayland (for not-bad reasons
Quoth Страхиња Радић:
> On 21/09/08 12:28, Nick wrote:
> > honest I found the arguments made there to be largely unconvincing,
>
> Any argument in particular and why?
A lot of the "Wayland breaks" examples don't seem to be fairly
reporting on the actual issues. The jitsi screen sharing issue, f
By the way, here's another article not on Github (but linked from that page):
https://tildearrow.org/?p=post&month=2&year=2021&item=antihs
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On 21/09/08 12:28, Nick wrote:
> honest I found the arguments made there to be largely unconvincing,
Any argument in particular and why?
> * I'm thinking in particular of the repeated "emojis broke my st"
> mails, caused by a bug in Xft that noone upstream seems to care much
> about fixing,
Hi Maarten et al,
Many thanks for your replies, this was very handy to read.
Interesting to hear that sxmo is moving in the wayland direction,
too. I haven't managed to get around to actually trying wayland yet,
as as ever my attention has been pulled in too many different
directions. But I'l
* Hadrien Lacour [2021-08-31 15:43]:
On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 03:49:43PM +0200, Maarten van Gompel wrote:
dwm -> sway (granted, not the same thing)
svkbd -> wvkbd (see https://github.com/jjsullivan5196/wvkbd/pull/2)
st -> foot
dmenu -> bemenu
If only there was an equivalent to lemonbar
On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 03:49:43PM +0200, Maarten van Gompel wrote:
> Hi Nick et al,
>
> With Sxmo we're currently also moving towards wayland (we'll have to
> reinvent what the X in our name means then). We found that, especially
> on the Pinephone, the performance under Wayland is simply superio
Hi Nick et al,
With Sxmo we're currently also moving towards wayland (we'll have to
reinvent what the X in our name means then). We found that, especially
on the Pinephone, the performance under Wayland is simply superior to
that on X11. We settled on sway to replace dwm, as dwl still lacks the
m
On 21/08/31 02:28, Nick wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm thinking it would be fun to play around with Wayland, so was
> looking at different compositors (which do window management plus
> other stuff). Has anyone else on the list taken Wayland for a spin
> and had any experience with them?
>
> From a
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