Re: [vote] Type safe refactoring branch

2007-02-19 Thread Davor Hrg
-1 non binding without class reloading my vote would be +1, speedy reload and excellent error reporting may be enough to overcome typing errors and enjoy more descriptive templates. Davor Hrg On 2/19/07, Massimo Lusetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/17/07, Jesse Kuhnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [vote] Type safe refactoring branch

2007-02-18 Thread Massimo Lusetti
On 2/17/07, Jesse Kuhnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -1 -1 (non-binding) -- Massimo http://meridio.blogspot.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [vote] Type safe refactoring branch

2007-02-18 Thread Robert Zeigler
1) I shouldn't have to rely on the features of an IDE to make it non- annoying/non-tedious to work with a framework 2) I just don't see what you gain with type-safe bindings. This really doesn't seem that much different than having synthetic wrapper properties in your component class. -1 (

Re: [vote] Type safe refactoring branch

2007-02-18 Thread Nick Westgate
-0 (non-binding) Kudos to Kent for his work on an interesting (if controversial) idea. Surely the dialog can only have helped Howard refine his vision for T5. Cheers, Nick. Jesse Kuhnert wrote: This is a vote on whether or not we want anything in the type safe refactoring branch to move forwa

Re: [vote] Type safe refactoring branch

2007-02-18 Thread Howard Lewis Ship
On 2/18/07, D&J Gredler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So if non-binding votes from users matter... -1 They matter! -- Howard M. Lewis Ship TWD Consulting, Inc. Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant Creator and PMC Chair, Apache Tapestry Creator, Apache HiveMind Professional Tapestry t

Re: [vote] Type safe refactoring branch

2007-02-18 Thread D&J Gredler
I'm a Tapestry 4 user who has played with version 5. I've been very concerned with the proliferation of configuration and logic outside of Java code and the ensuing number of runtime errors (rather than compile time errors). A couple of years ago at the JavaOne web frameworks smackdown, during the

Re: [vote] Type safe refactoring branch

2007-02-17 Thread Howard Lewis Ship
Howard Lewis Ship: -1 I really appreciate the work Kent has done with the type safe option, as well as the unit testing work. I strongly feel that the type safe approach loses more than it gains, as we've discussed in the relevant threads. I think making sure Tapestry works with Groovy and JRuby

[vote] Type safe refactoring branch

2007-02-17 Thread Jesse Kuhnert
This is a vote on whether or not we want anything in the type safe refactoring branch to move forward within the confines of the Tapestry project. It's not a discussion for or against the various aspects of the arguments - there are obviously plenty of threads dealing with that. The only reason I