Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-25 Thread Justin Lebar
Sorry, I must have misunderstood what you meant. If all you're saying is that sometimes, it's good to call a meeting to make a decision, I don't think we disagree. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Milan Sreckovic wrote: > > > On 2013-04-25, at 2:07 PM, Justin Lebar wrote: > >>> Justin pointed o

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-25 Thread Milan Sreckovic
On 2013-04-25, at 2:07 PM, Justin Lebar wrote: >> Justin pointed out his earlier post and the apparent disagreement I had with >> it with the >> "pick a long thread topic" example - and he has a point. I meant it as an >> example, and >> didn't say as much, and I meant more to focus on decis

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-25 Thread Justin Lebar
> Justin pointed out his earlier post and the apparent disagreement I had with > it with the > "pick a long thread topic" example - and he has a point. I meant it as an > example, and > didn't say as much, and I meant more to focus on decision making, and didn't > say that > either. I also mea

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-25 Thread Milan Sreckovic
Justin pointed out his earlier post and the apparent disagreement I had with it with the "pick a long thread topic" example - and he has a point. I meant it as an example, and didn't say as much, and I meant more to focus on decision making, and didn't say that either. I agree the general engi

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-25 Thread Milan Sreckovic
Every good meeting needs a conflict - a meeting about whether we should have the platform meeting would be a great meeting. If we are too large to actually have a meeting where something could be argued or decided, we probably don't need that meeting. Status meetings are useful, but as was p

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-25 Thread Doug Turner
Lawrence Mandel wrote: However, I have had people tell me that they do get some value from this meeting. What value did they get and what role did they have at mozilla? I am wondering if the audience for this meeting is no longer mozilla platform engineers. __

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-25 Thread Lawrence Mandel
- Original Message - > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Lawrence Mandel < > lman...@mozilla.com > wrote: > > My understanding from speaking with a few people is that the > > platform > > meeting was once useful to engineers. > > Well, part of that probably has to do with the fact that Mo

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-25 Thread Lawrence Mandel
> Lawrence Mandel wrote: > > However, I have had people tell me that they do get some value from > > this meeting. > > > > What value did they get and what role did they have at mozilla? I am > wondering if the audience for this meeting is no longer mozilla > platform > engineers. In the meeti

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-25 Thread Bobby Holley
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Lawrence Mandel wrote: > My understanding from speaking with a few people is that the platform > meeting was once useful to engineers. Well, part of that probably has to do with the fact that Mozilla used to be a much smaller org. In 2008 most of platform enginee

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-25 Thread Lawrence Mandel
- Original Message - > I think if we need to find reasons to keep a meeting relevant, we > need > to kill the meeting. Lawrence, you should just discontinue the > meeting > for a few weeks and see if we really need it. I bet we wont. My understanding from speaking with a few people is

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-25 Thread Lawrence Mandel
- Original Message - > I can definitely tell you what I liked and disliked about these > meetings, and why I stopped going to them. > > * Too many status updates. Putting the status updates in the wiki is > great. Reading over them when a lot of people are listening > synchronously is no

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-25 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
On 4/25/2013 1:07 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2013-04-24 3:35 PM, Benjamin Smedberg wrote: On 4/24/2013 3:13 PM, Justin Lebar wrote: and last time I checked there's no way to get notified when a meeting's notes are up (via RSS or e-mail or whatever). https://blog.mozilla.org/meeting-notes/arch

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-25 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Doug Turner wrote: > I would much rather see us spend the time to curate what's important -- what > platform people should/must read. Someone started a Reddit subgroup > r/MozillaTech. This subgroup is much more relevant to the work that my team > is doing than t

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-24 Thread Doug Turner
I think if we need to find reasons to keep a meeting relevant, we need to kill the meeting. Lawrence, you should just discontinue the meeting for a few weeks and see if we really need it. I bet we wont. I would much rather see us spend the time to curate what's important -- what platform peo

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-24 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
I can definitely tell you what I liked and disliked about these meetings, and why I stopped going to them. * Too many status updates. Putting the status updates in the wiki is great. Reading over them when a lot of people are listening synchronously is not. The KISS rule needs to be followe

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-24 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2013-04-24 3:35 PM, Benjamin Smedberg wrote: On 4/24/2013 3:13 PM, Justin Lebar wrote: and last time I checked there's no way to get notified when a meeting's notes are up (via RSS or e-mail or whatever). https://blog.mozilla.org/meeting-notes/archives/tag/mozillaplatform and it shows up on

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-24 Thread Bobby Holley
+1 to meeting notes being mailed out or on a feed somewhere. I generally avoid big meetings like the plague because the density of discussion that I'm interested in is too low to warrant my full attention, and I'm not great at context-switching to and from my own work either. I usually just sit th

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-24 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
On 4/24/2013 3:13 PM, Justin Lebar wrote: and last time I checked there's no way to get notified when a meeting's notes are up (via RSS or e-mail or whatever). https://blog.mozilla.org/meeting-notes/archives/tag/mozillaplatform and it shows up on the "projects" planet as well. --BDS _

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-24 Thread Lawrence Mandel
- Original Message - > One thing I love about the MoCo meetings is that if I don't go, I > don't miss anything except the chance to ask questions: mbrubeck &co > create detailed minutes (really, transcripts) of every meeting, which > I can read on my schedule. He then e-mails the transcr

Re: Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-24 Thread Justin Lebar
One thing I love about the MoCo meetings is that if I don't go, I don't miss anything except the chance to ask questions: mbrubeck &co create detailed minutes (really, transcripts) of every meeting, which I can read on my schedule. He then e-mails the transcript out to everyone, so I don't even ha

Increasing the platform meeting's relevance for engineers

2013-04-24 Thread Lawrence Mandel
tl;dr I would like to make the platform meeting more relevant for engineers. I have already made some changes (see below) and am interested in your feedback on what you would like to get out of this meeting. If you don't currently attend, what would make this meeting relevant for you? --- Sinc