Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 11:35 AM, L. David Baron wrote: > On Tuesday 2015-06-30 17:00 -0400, Richard Barnes wrote: > > Second, when we implement new web platform features, they will be enabled > > only on secure contexts. Exceptions can be granted, but will need to be > > justified as part of the

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2015-06-30 17:00 -0400, Richard Barnes wrote: > Second, when we implement new web platform features, they will be enabled > only on secure contexts. Exceptions can be granted, but will need to be > justified as part of the Intent to Implement [3] and Intent to Ship process. I think thi

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/1/15 12:28 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: Colloquially: "would you show a lock?" I just don't see how this can possible match up with what we actually want here. We don't show a lock for file:// or chrome://, yet the former is explicitly considered a secure context per spec and the latter s

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread Martin Thomson
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > we'd need to decide what > https://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/powerfulfeatures/#is-origin-trustworthy > step 5 should mean in our particular case Colloquially: "would you show a lock?" Unfortunately, conveying the nuance involved in creat

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/1/15 4:43 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: I hope that we can get somewhat better on this. It is rather useful to have a somewhat large set of people have insight as to what goes into Platform. Sure. I'm just saying that I suspect people underestimate the number of features we add, the granu

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
I'll leave some of your points/questions for Richard. On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > We add lots of features without such Intent threads all the time. Just FYI. I hope that we can get somewhat better on this. It is rather useful to have a somewhat large set of people ha

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/1/15 2:49 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Platform. There was no strong opposition to the "Intent to deprecate: Insecure HTTP" thread and in Whistler everyone attending the deprecating non-secure HTTP session agreed. Do you think this needs to be approached differently? Yes. Because taken at

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-06-30 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > On 6/30/15 5:00 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: >> Second, when we implement new web platform features, they will be enabled >> only on secure contexts. > > Might I ask who this "we" is (I don't recall general DOM module owner buy-in > on this, bu

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-06-30 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 6/30/15 5:00 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: Second, when we implement new web platform features, they will be enabled only on secure contexts. Might I ask who this "we" is (I don't recall general DOM module owner buy-in on this, but maybe I missed it?) what the definition of "new web platform f