Re: Flowchart covering SSL checks, error states, dialogs

2007-02-05 Thread Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
Hi Dan, Dan Veditz wrote: It's certainly not going to be a green bar, but if we can come up with something decent isn't it worth being able to tell the difference between we know these identities were validated to a certain standard vs. these identities may or may not have been validated to

Re: Flowchart covering SSL checks, error states, dialogs

2007-02-05 Thread Gervase Markham
Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote: My question to your suggestion is, if we can't come up with something, that would tell the user _any_ difference between _any_ certificate. Which means, to display the user the most important information in a convenient way, which could be perhaps the subject

Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-05 Thread Gervase Markham
Ben Bucksch wrote: OK. My thought is that we don't have many chances to push things like that and have users consider it. If we make them aware of it, it better be bulletproof, or we should not bother them with it, just treat it as little better SSL cert, no special treatment. You're

Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-05 Thread Gervase Markham
Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote: Florian Weimer wrote: They don't, as far as I can tell. Evidence provided by a Qualified Indepedent Information Source (QIIS) is usually sufficent. Verisign seems to have copied this part of the guidelines verbatim. Guess whatthey wrote most of the

Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-05 Thread Gervase Markham
You aren't going to give up with the unfounded allegations of impropriety, are you? Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote: OK! However the most important thing about this certificate is the fact, that it was issued: 1) More or less at the same day the EV guidelines were approved... Except that

Re: Flowchart covering SSL checks, error states, dialogs

2007-02-05 Thread Michael Lefevre
On 2007-02-05, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Throw all the information at the user and let them make up their own mind is not going to be our UI strategy. So you may as well stop lobbying for it to be. :-| Seems to me that your own point extends to EV though. I can't see

Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-05 Thread Gervase Markham
Ben Bucksch wrote: Florian Weimer wrote: Host names like c1d3q2 are fine, but you shouldn't be allowed to use a well-known or registered trademark. If I read the Verisign CPS correctly, I would be able to obtain a EV certificate for citibank.enyo.de if I incorporated. Right, that's the

Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-05 Thread Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
Hi Gerv, You are continually damaging your credibility in this discussion Thank you for taking care of my creditability! I can state with certainty that Verisign did not write most of the EV guidelines. Right, to all _my knowledge_ it was mostly drawn up by Kelvin Yiu of Microsoft. However

Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-05 Thread Florian Weimer
* Gervase Markham: We are currently looking into the feasibility of using the new effective TLD service to change the URL bar so it would read (where CAPS indicates emphasis: www.citibank.ENYO.DE www.CITIBANK.COM which makes the distinction between the two quite a bit more obvious. *grr*

Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-05 Thread Ben Bucksch
Gervase Markham wrote: Ben Bucksch wrote: OK. My thought is that we don't have many chances to push things like that and have users consider it. If we make them aware of it, it better be bulletproof, or we should not bother them with it, just treat it as little better SSL cert, no special