Re: Remediation Plan for WoSign and StartCom

2016-10-17 Thread Percy
> I’m not sure what I could reasonably require (and enforce) of the CA in > regards to communicating with their customers. > I recall that my security blog about CNNIC got censored in China, so I'm not > sure what Mozilla can do about informing the CA's customers of this pending > change/imp

Re: StartCom & Qihoo Incidents

2016-10-17 Thread Jakob Bohm
On 18/10/2016 01:22, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:39:42AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:22:21AM +0200, Jakob Bohm wrote: Over the past few years, this has caused the Mozilla root list to become less and less useful for the rest of the open source world,

Re: Remediation Plan for WoSign and StartCom

2016-10-17 Thread Kathleen Wilson
All, Here’s a summary of your input, and my thoughts. ~~ What about NSS? We discussed this in the NSS team call last week, and the general decision was that the rules we put in place regarding these Affected Roots for Mozilla will also be put in place inside NSS. That doesn’t help all consumer

Re: StartCom & Qihoo Incidents

2016-10-17 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:39:42AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:22:21AM +0200, Jakob Bohm wrote: > > > > Over the past few years, this has caused the Mozilla root list to > > become less and less useful for the rest of the open source world, a > > fact which at least some

Re: Globalsign accidental intermediate revocation incident

2016-10-17 Thread Jakob Bohm
On 16/10/2016 09:59, Adrian R. wrote: Hello i read in the news (but not here on m.d.s.p) that a few days ago Globalsign revoked one of their intermediary roots and then un-revoked it (well, the revocation is accidental, but it was still a properly announced revocation, via signed CRL and OCSP

Re: StartCom & Qihoo Incidents

2016-10-17 Thread Jakob Bohm
On 18/10/2016 00:39, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:22:21AM +0200, Jakob Bohm wrote: Over the past few years, this has caused the Mozilla root list to become less and less useful for the rest of the open source world, a fact which at least some of the Mozilla-root-list-copying op

Re: StartCom & Qihoo Incidents

2016-10-17 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:22:21AM +0200, Jakob Bohm wrote: > > Over the past few years, this has caused the Mozilla root list to > become less and less useful for the rest of the open source world, a > fact which at least some of the Mozilla-root-list-copying open source > projects seem not to be

Re: StartCom & Qihoo Incidents

2016-10-17 Thread Jakob Bohm
On 16/10/2016 20:55, Ryan Sleevi wrote: On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 3:18:22 PM UTC-7, Eric Mill wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 4:31 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: The only one who's openly addressed this seems to be Mozilla. It would certainly be nice if Mozilla weren't the only openly ope

Re: Globalsign accidental intermediate revocation incident

2016-10-17 Thread Gervase Markham
On 16/10/16 08:59, Adrian R. wrote: > is this revival/un-revocation of an intermediary CA allowed by the > BRs? I agree that the wording is a little loose but I think the intended purpose of the clause in question was as Peter interprets it - don't remove things from OCSP or CRLs before their expi

Re: StartCom & Qihoo Incidents

2016-10-17 Thread Gervase Markham
On 15/10/16 00:32, Peter Gutmann wrote: > I would have expected some sort of coordinating action to provide a unified > response to the issue and corresponding unified, consistent behaviour among > the browsers, rather than the current lottery as to what a particular browser > (other than Apple and