Re: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-23 Thread Tom Ritter via dev-security-policy
On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 at 22:53, Daniel Marschall via dev-security-policy wrote: > > Am Freitag, 23. August 2019 00:50:35 UTC+2 schrieb Ronald Crane: > > On 8/22/2019 1:43 PM, kirkhalloregon--- via dev-security-policy wrote: > > > > Whatever the merits of EV (and perhaps there are some -- I'm not > >

Re: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-23 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:44 PM kirkhalloregon--- via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Some have responded there is no research saying EV sites have > significantly less phishing (and are therefore safer) than DV sites – Tim > has listed two studies that say ex

Re: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-23 Thread Ronald Crane via dev-security-policy
On 8/23/2019 3:53 PM, Daniel Marschall via dev-security-policy wrote: Am Freitag, 23. August 2019 00:50:35 UTC+2 schrieb Ronald Crane: On 8/22/2019 1:43 PM, kirkhalloregon--- via dev-security-policy wrote: Whatever the merits of EV (and perhaps there are some -- I'm not convinced either way) th

Re: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-23 Thread Daniel Marschall via dev-security-policy
Am Freitag, 23. August 2019 00:50:35 UTC+2 schrieb Ronald Crane: > On 8/22/2019 1:43 PM, kirkhalloregon--- via dev-security-policy wrote: > > Whatever the merits of EV (and perhaps there are some -- I'm not > convinced either way) this data is negligible evidence of them. A DV > cert is sufficie

Re: Jurisdiction of incorporation validation issue

2019-08-23 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
[Please note that the way MS Outlook marks quoted text doesn't work well with Mozilla mail programs]. On 23/08/2019 22:37, Jeremy Rowley wrote: >> 1. I believe the BRs and/or underlying technical standards are very >> clear if the ST field should be a full name ("California") or an >> abb

Re: Jurisdiction of incorporation validation issue

2019-08-23 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:37 PM Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > >> 1. I believe the BRs and/or underlying technical standards are very >clear if the ST field should be a full name ("California") or an >abbreviation ("CA"). > > This is

Re: Jurisdiction of incorporation validation issue

2019-08-23 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:18 PM Jeremy Rowley wrote: > > I can think of some incremental steps here: > > > - Disclosing exact detailed procedures via CP/CPS > > > > Maybe an addendum to the CPS. Or RPS. I’ll experiment and post something > to see what the community thinks. > Yup. I've seen plent

RE: Jurisdiction of incorporation validation issue

2019-08-23 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
>> 1. I believe the BRs and/or underlying technical standards are very clear if the ST field should be a full name ("California") or an abbreviation ("CA"). This is only true of the EV guidelines and only for Jurisdiction of Incorporation. There is no formatting requirement for place of bu

RE: Jurisdiction of incorporation validation issue

2019-08-23 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
>> I'm a little nervous about encouraging wide use of OCR. You may recall at >> least one CA was bit by an issue in which their OCR system misidentified >> letters - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1311713 >> That's why I was keen to suggest technical solutions which would verify

Re: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-23 Thread sslcorp.team--- via dev-security-policy
> > Correlation does not imply causation. > > There are studies that show phishing sites tend not to be EV - yes. > That's a correlation. > > If we studied phishing sites and domain name registration fees I'm > sure we'd find a correlation there too - I'd bet the .cfd TLD (which > apparently cos

Re: Jurisdiction of incorporation validation issue

2019-08-23 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 2:00 PM Jeremy Rowley wrote: > > >- Could you highlight a bit more your proposal here? My understanding >is that, despite the Handelsregister ("Commercial Register") being >available at a country level, it's further subdivided into a list of >couunty or reg

RE: Jurisdiction of incorporation validation issue

2019-08-23 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
* Could you highlight a bit more your proposal here? My understanding is that, despite the Handelsregister ("Commercial Register") being available at a country level, it's further subdivided into a list of couunty or region - e.g. the Amtsgericht Herne ("Local Court Herne"). * It sou

Re: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-23 Thread Ronald Crane via dev-security-policy
On 8/23/2019 6:41 AM, Tom Ritter via dev-security-policy wrote: On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 at 05:00, Leo Grove via dev-security-policy wrote: On Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 5:50:35 PM UTC-5, Ronald Crane wrote: On 8/22/2019 1:43 PM, kirkhalloregon--- via dev-security-policy wrote: I can tell you

Re: Jurisdiction of incorporation validation issue

2019-08-23 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
On 23/08/2019 04:29, Jeremy Rowley wrote: I posted this tonight: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1576013. It's sort of an extension of the "some-state" issue, but with the incorporation information of an EV cert. The tl;dr of the bug is that sometimes the information isn't perfect

Re: Jurisdiction of incorporation validation issue

2019-08-23 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:29 PM Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > I posted this tonight: > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1576013. It's sort of an > extension of the "some-state" issue, but with the incorporation information > of

Re: Auditor letters and incident reports

2019-08-23 Thread clemens.wanko--- via dev-security-policy
Dear all, just a short note on that with regard to auditing and Audit Attestations based upon ETSI: throughout the audit we check the incidents of the current audit period as documented by the CA (have they been addressed at a sufficient level, have the measures taken proven that they are suffi

Re: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-23 Thread Tom Ritter via dev-security-policy
On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 at 05:00, Leo Grove via dev-security-policy wrote: > > On Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 5:50:35 PM UTC-5, Ronald Crane wrote: > > On 8/22/2019 1:43 PM, kirkhalloregon--- via dev-security-policy wrote: > > > I can tell you that anti-phishing services and browser phishing filters