Re: Certificate OU= fields with missing O= field

2019-11-01 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
[Top posting because previous post did] As a relying party and a subscriber of some certificates, I would consider each of the following combinations as something that should be both permitted and useful under any future rules, even if the current BRs don't allow it. 1. O=Actual Org name and

Re: Certificate OU= fields with missing O= field

2019-11-01 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
Yes. I'm concerned about an interpretation that says the Subject field doesn't identify the Subject, while also being sensitive to past discussions (e.g. dnQualifier) that are explicitly specified not to identify the Subject. The OU, as specified both in the BRs and within the relevant ITU-T

Re: Proposal: Add section 5.1 to the Common CCADB Policy

2019-11-01 Thread Kathleen Wilson via dev-security-policy
All, The updated proposed section is here: https://github.com/mozilla/www.ccadb.org/issues/33#issuecomment-548884075 Please let me know if you have any further feedback on this proposed addition to the Common CCADB Policy. Thanks, Kathleen ___

RE: Certificate OU= fields with missing O= field

2019-11-01 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
My view is that the OU field is a subject distinguished name field and that a CA must have a process to prevent unverified information from being included in the field. Subject Identity Information is defined as information that identifies the Certificate Subject. I suppose the answer to your

RE: Certificate OU= fields with missing O= field

2019-11-01 Thread Robin Alden via dev-security-policy
> -Original Message- > From: Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy > Sent: 01 November 2019 10:15 > To: Matthias van de Meent > Cc: MDSP > Subject: Re: Certificate OU= fields with missing O= field > > On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 11:08:23AM +0100, Matthias van de Meent via dev- >

Re: Certificate OU= fields with missing O= field

2019-11-01 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
Is your view that the OU is not Subject Identity Information, despite that being the Identity Information that appears in the Subject? Are there other fields and values that you believe are not SII? This seems inconsistent with 7.1.4.2, the section in which this is placed. As to the .com in the

RE: Certificate OU= fields with missing O= field

2019-11-01 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
A mistake in the BRs (I wrote the language unfortunately so shame on me for not matching the other sections of org name or the given name). There's no certificate that ever contains all of these fields. How would you ever have that? There's no requirement that the OU field information relate

Re: Certificate OU= fields with missing O= field

2019-11-01 Thread Alex Cohn via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 5:14 AM Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 11:08:23AM +0100, Matthias van de Meent via > dev-security-policy wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I recently noticed that a lot of leaf certificates [0] have > > organizationalUnitName specified without

Re: Certificate OU= fields with missing O= field

2019-11-01 Thread Matthias van de Meent via dev-security-policy
Hi, I was notified that the attachments were lost in transmission, so here are the links: cert_no_dcv: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1s43AaW5lCkSzbr-If6l2F_gwLkwDVy6w cert_by_issuer_no_dcv: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-er8R2CfcG8CRK4I3KUXnv8PDgGQKc1Y cert_by_issuer_name_no_dcv:

Re: Certificate OU= fields with missing O= field

2019-11-01 Thread Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 11:08:23AM +0100, Matthias van de Meent via dev-security-policy wrote: > Hi, > > I recently noticed that a lot of leaf certificates [0] have > organizationalUnitName specified without other organizational > information such as organizationName. Many times this field is

Certificate OU= fields with missing O= field

2019-11-01 Thread Matthias van de Meent via dev-security-policy
Hi, I recently noticed that a lot of leaf certificates [0] have organizationalUnitName specified without other organizational information such as organizationName. Many times this field is used for branding purposes, e.g. "issued through " or "SomeBrand SSL". BR v1.6.6 ยง 7.1.4.2.2i has guidance