Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-09-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On 2014-08-27 18:15, Kathleen Wilson wrote: Based on the discussion so far, I think the answer is that the CAs need to work with their auditors to create a public-facing audit statement that does not have information in it that the CA considers sensitive, but that sufficiently lists the BRs that

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-28 Thread Man Ho (Certizen)
On 8/28/2014 9:42 AM, Man Ho (Certizen) wrote: I think some CAs don't even want to claim they are CAB/Forum BR compliant, but just want to be included in all root certificate programs. What I mean is that some CAs don't want to claim they are CAB/Forum BR compliant, but committed to conform to

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-28 Thread Matt Palmer
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 02:40:08PM +0800, Man Ho (Certizen) wrote: On 8/28/2014 9:42 AM, Man Ho (Certizen) wrote: I think some CAs don't even want to claim they are CAB/Forum BR compliant, but just want to be included in all root certificate programs. What I mean is that some CAs don't

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-28 Thread Moudrick Dadashov
Please see page 7 of ETSI 102 042: ETSI - Electronic Signature and Infrastructure (ESI) includes in the present document provisions consistent with the requirements for issuing Extended Validation Certificates (EVC), as specified in the above mentioned CAB Forum EVC Guidelines (EVCG [16]) as

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-28 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On 8/27/14, 9:15 AM, Kathleen Wilson wrote: Based on the discussion so far, I think the answer is that the CAs need to work with their auditors to create a public-facing audit statement that does not have information in it that the CA considers sensitive, but that sufficiently lists the BRs that

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-27 Thread Jean-Marc Desperrier
David E. Ross a écrit : With a redacted audit report, the presumption should be that hidden negative information exists that would disqualify the certification authority from having its root certificate in the NSS database if such information were disclosed. any redaction would imply the

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-27 Thread David E. Ross
On 8/27/2014 7:11 AM, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: David E. Ross a écrit : With a redacted audit report, the presumption should be that hidden negative information exists that would disqualify the certification authority from having its root certificate in the NSS database if such information

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-27 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On 8/27/14, 7:11 AM, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: David E. Ross a écrit : With a redacted audit report, the presumption should be that hidden negative information exists that would disqualify the certification authority from having its root certificate in the NSS database if such information

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-27 Thread Matt Palmer
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 09:42:13AM +0800, Man Ho (Certizen) wrote: Concerning about a list of BRs that the CA is still working to conform with, I don't think CAs will agree to publish in public for security reason and also because of business sensitivity. I think some CAs don't even want to

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-26 Thread Peter Bowen
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Kathleen Wilson kwil...@mozilla.com wrote: I am running into a problem with BR audit statements that list details about issues that have been found. https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:CertificatePolicyV2.1#Baseline_Requirements ...The first BR audit for each CA and

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-26 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On 8/26/14, 12:10 PM, Peter Bowen wrote: Could you publish a list of BR section numbers which one or more CA is saying they do not yet comply with, not including any CA names? That would help determine the scope of the request and provide some guidance on the possible impact of the

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-26 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On 8/26/14, 1:14 PM, Chris Palmer wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Kathleen Wilson kwil...@mozilla.com wrote: BR 9.5 – 1024-bit certs with validity beyond 2013 (in order to support legacy customer apps) BR 13.2.6 - OCSP giving status “good” for unknown serial numbers. BR 16.5 -

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-26 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On 8/26/14, 1:42 PM, Chris Palmer wrote: If CAs can't meet the baseline requirements that they themselves helped set, and prove so to the public, perhaps the current situation is the end of the road. Sigh. It'll get better. I can see in those audit statements that the issues either were

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-26 Thread Peter Bowen
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Kathleen Wilson kwil...@mozilla.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Kathleen Wilson kwil...@mozilla.com wrote: BR 9.5 – 1024-bit certs with validity beyond 2013 (in order to support legacy customer apps) BR 13.2.6 - OCSP giving status “good” for

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-26 Thread Matt Palmer
Hi Kathleen, My take on this is that any information that is relevant to a CA's conformance (or lack thereof) with the BRs (or any other part of Mozilla's inclusion criteria) needs to be disclosed to those who are passing judgment on the suitability of the CA for inclusion in the Mozilla trust

Re: Allow Redaction of issues detailed in BR Audit statements?

2014-08-26 Thread Chris Palmer
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Matt Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org wrote: On an unrelated point, I'd like to thank you, Kathleen, for the work you do in this area. Going over the minutiae of audit reports can't be a particularly fun job, but it *is* a very necessary one, so thanks for being