Re: Terms and Conditions that use technical measures to make it difficult to change CAs

2020-04-16 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 4:09 PM Tim Hollebeek wrote: > On the other hand, for example in Shanghai, some > have argued that there is nothing wrong with a CPS that does not disclose > anything > about how CAs implement any of the policy requirements. Understandably, it's a spectrum. For these

RE: Terms and Conditions that use technical measures to make it difficult to change CAs

2020-04-16 Thread Tim Hollebeek via dev-security-policy
Generally, I'm in favor of transparency requirements, and many of Ryan's ideas would be useful or interesting to pursue. Transparency is often the first and best step towards improving business practices. And the entire purpose of a CPS is to disclose the business practices that implement a

Re: Terms and Conditions that use technical measures to make it difficult to change CAs

2020-04-14 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:13 PM Robin Alden wrote: > I am ambivalent to the idea of having a list of business practices, > presumably over and above those required in law, that CAs must publish to > the community. I know it was more an aside, but I’m not sure I follow what you mean by “over an

RE: Terms and Conditions that use technical measures to make it difficult to change CAs

2020-04-14 Thread Robin Alden via dev-security-policy
> .. There’s plenty of precedent in having Root Policy or the > Baseline Requirements require a CP/CPS explicitly state something; > examples such as the CAA domain name, the problem reporting mechanism > and contact address, and compliance to the latest version of the BRs. > > If we apply that

Re: Terms and Conditions that use technical measures to make it difficult to change CAs

2020-04-06 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:06 PM Tim Hollebeek via dev-security-policy wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I'd like to start a discussion about some practices among other commercial > CAs that have recently come to my attention, which I personally find > disturbing. While it's perfectly appropriate to

Re: Terms and Conditions that use technical measures to make it difficult to change CAs

2020-03-17 Thread Ronald Crane via dev-security-policy
This is an abusive practice that tends to injure the operation of the internet, particularly by encouraging victims to operate sites without authentication and encryption in the interregnum between revocation and the acquisition of a new cert. It also needlessly raises the cost to operate a

RE: Terms and Conditions that use technical measures to make it difficult to change CAs

2020-03-17 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Yes - please share the details with me as I am very surprised to hear that. I know the DigiCert agreements I've seen don't permit revocation because of termination so whoever (if anyone) is saying that is contradicting the actual agreement. Threatening revocation because of termination or

Re: Terms and Conditions that use technical measures to make it difficult to change CAs

2020-03-17 Thread Nick France via dev-security-policy
On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 9:06:33 PM UTC, Tim Hollebeek wrote: > Hello, > > > > I'd like to start a discussion about some practices among other commercial > CAs that have recently come to my attention, which I personally find > disturbing. While it's perfectly appropriate to have Terms and

Re: Terms and Conditions that use technical measures to make it difficult to change CAs

2020-03-16 Thread Burton via dev-security-policy
A customer should able have the choice to change their CA provider without threats of revocation by the CA. It’s definitely an abuse of the revocation function. I do understand terms and conditions are in normal circumstances legally binding once signed by a customer but this practice is abuse of

Re: Terms and Conditions that use technical measures to make it difficult to change CAs

2020-03-16 Thread Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 09:06:17PM +, Tim Hollebeek via dev-security-policy wrote: > I'd like to start a discussion about some practices among other commercial > CAs that have recently come to my attention, which I personally find > disturbing. While it's perfectly appropriate to have Terms

Terms and Conditions that use technical measures to make it difficult to change CAs

2020-03-16 Thread Tim Hollebeek via dev-security-policy
Hello, I'd like to start a discussion about some practices among other commercial CAs that have recently come to my attention, which I personally find disturbing. While it's perfectly appropriate to have Terms and Conditions associated with digital certificates, in some circumstances,